Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-11-2016, 06:01 PM
 
14,221 posts, read 7,011,717 times
Reputation: 6059

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Yeah. Free, free, free ...until you realize the taxpayers are paying for all the "free stuff."

$15/hour wage for people with no marketable skills. More job destroying wisdom from the Left.
The middle class bailed out Wall Street. Now its time for Wall Street to bail out the middle class, not be given free stuff in a new Trump cabinet! Funny how you guys never complain about the trillions of free stuff handed to the donor class after billions in bribes of your elected official. But as soon as people suggest investing money in health care and education for our people, the moaning starts. Fact of the matter is that working stiffs will benefit massively from tax payer funded education and health care, just as they benefit from freeways, Medicare, public schools, Social Security, SSDI etc.

$15/hr living wage is lower than it should be if it had kept pace with inflation and productivity since the late 1960s. There were no shortage of jobs in the late 1960s and there wont be a shortage of jobs 50 years later either. Slave wage jobs shouldnt exist in the first place.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-11-2016, 06:28 PM
 
8,935 posts, read 5,424,346 times
Reputation: 5728
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperOscar View Post
Free tuition doesn't mean that it is free, if you want to know how it works, then look at a country like Germany and see how they are able to provide free college to people in the EU.
You can also listen to this Dave Ramsey rant, who discusses "free" community college in his home state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZRjjzkRi8
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2016, 06:42 PM
 
14,221 posts, read 7,011,717 times
Reputation: 6059
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minethatbird View Post
You can also listen to this Dave Ramsey rant, who discusses
Tuition free college is $70 billion a year. The total cost of the Iraq war is $3 trillion. That's 50 years' worth of tuition free college for the American people. This is typical. Whenever the donor class is whipping the people into a war frenzy to line their pockets, the costs go out the window and the taxpayer cheer them on. Its particularly prevalent among republican war hawks who rarely see a military project or war they dont like. Investing in the health and education of the American people? NO, never any money for that. It costs too much, nothing is free, blablabla. And a substantial section of working stiffs who would massively benefit from a national health care system and better access to education and trade schools swallow this propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 02:42 AM
 
79,910 posts, read 44,443,995 times
Reputation: 17214
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
Which FDR donors are you talking about and do you believe they managed to convince the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor?
I hate when people argue something, someone replies and then they change the argument.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 02:45 AM
 
79,910 posts, read 44,443,995 times
Reputation: 17214
Quote:
Originally Posted by dashrendar4454 View Post
Sanders complains about the concept of a meritocracy and wants open borders. Probably wouldn't have helped in the general election
Sanders NEVER argued for open borders. Why would you argue something so far from the truth?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
3,211 posts, read 2,261,620 times
Reputation: 2607
Dems want their candidate to go Far Left and Republicans want their candidate to go Far Right. Whichever side gets to capture most of the Independents is normally going to win. This time, it was Trump winning the Independents.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 08:24 AM
 
14,488 posts, read 6,139,979 times
Reputation: 6846
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Sanders NEVER argued for open borders. Why would you argue something so far from the truth?
He might as well have.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
1,707 posts, read 1,110,461 times
Reputation: 1562
Quote:
Originally Posted by dashrendar4454 View Post
I personally believe his success was more to do with him running against Hillary Clinton who was disliked even by many Democrats rather than a huge desire for the party to go far left but some say otherwise and say that people like Elizabeth Warren and Keith Ellison are the people who need to lead the Democratic party because their ideas are what people want. What do you think?

do you think Sanders is similar to people like Warren and Ellison?
Only if you want a real nice 3rd home on a lake with a beach.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
12,685 posts, read 6,777,590 times
Reputation: 6598
Quote:
does the success of Bernie Sanders show the dems need to go far left?
No, not necessarily. It does demonstrate that you want a candidate with fresh new ideas who has the ability to get people really and truly excited. Bernie had that ability. He could have been a man with a moderate message proposing lots of changes and it would have looked pretty much the same.

Consider how appealing the idea of a far-right GOP candidate is to Democrats and left-leaning independents. A far-left Democrat is no different, and it may have cost Bernie the election if he'd beaten Hillary for the nomination.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2016, 09:06 AM
 
14,221 posts, read 7,011,717 times
Reputation: 6059
Quote:
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010 View Post
No, not necessarily. It does demonstrate that you want a candidate with fresh new ideas who has the ability to get people really and truly excited. Bernie had that ability. He could have been a man with a moderate message proposing lots of changes and it would have looked pretty much the same.

Consider how appealing the idea of a far-right GOP candidate is to Democrats and left-leaning independents. A far-left Democrat is no different, and it may have cost Bernie the election if he'd beaten Hillary for the nomination.
These labels are just media silliness. There is nothing far left about FDR, JFK or Bernie Sanders. Just run of-the-mill mainstream New Deal democrats. People have this idea in their head that Wall Street is center-left and Big Oil is center right and anything else is far left or far right.

Both Sanders and Trump actually campaigned as economic centrists. The success of Bernie show the dems they should go to the center, away from the right wing Wall Street policies that are not popular among the electorate.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:28 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top