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Old 12-11-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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So far, no proof on your part.
What proof? That the overwhelming majority of the people winning their races have the most name recognition and are the best funded? Its ludicrous to claim that Trump somehow disproves this. That is one single race, a race with unique opportunities for name recognition. Everyone in America knew who Trump was by November and Goldman Sachs and Exxon Mobile now have the best seats in his cabinet. That's who wins. Not Joe Sixpack from rural America.

 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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What proof? That the overwhelming majority of the people winning their races have the most name recognition and are the best funded? Its ludicrous to claim that Trump somehow disproves this. That is one single race, a race with unique opportunities for name recognition. Everyone in America knew who Trump was by November and Goldman Sachs and Exxon Mobile now have the best seats in his cabinet. That's who wins. Not Joe Sixpack from rural America.
They had the same place with Obama. It's a little too late but those in North Dakota are hammering Obama. The pipeline is his baby. He's done nothing but bend over for Wall Street his entire eight years.

As long as the (D)'s do not provide a real alternative people are not going to turn out for them.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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Yours is nothing more than a generalization. Money did not take the (D)'s from where they were eight years ago to where they are now especially when you consider the (D)'s spent as much if not more money.

Ignoring those who they need to vote for them did.
Of course not, but you dont get anywhere in a system of bought elections when you have no money and name recognition. And if the GOP get their way and eliminates all restrictions so their puppet get a script and becomes a mere employee of the billionaire puppet master, there is hardly anything stopping America from becoming a pure one-party state. A massive scandal involving the deaths of thousands because of this corruption might, just might, cause the people to wake up and demand to get big money out of politics.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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What proof? That the overwhelming majority of the people winning their races have the most name recognition and are the best funded?....
So far no proof.

BTW, you didn't answer question. How did you support for President?
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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So far no proof.

BTW, you didn't answer question. How did you support for President?
You honestly need proof that you will get crushed if you run for office with no money and name recognition? Just google who wins office. There is a "wealth primary" taking place before the actual primaries where the viable candidates are the candidates with the most money and name recognition. A huge section of America, typically working class folks, are eliminated completely in this "wealth primary". You need enormous amounts of money to be a representative of the people in this democracy. That is the definition of plutocracy.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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Of course not, but you dont get anywhere in a system of bought elections when you have no money and name recognition.
Which applies to no one in a national election. No one. The incumbent will generally have more name recognition but will be well funded. The (D)'s didn't go from large majorities in the House and Senate because a lack of money or name recognition. They did it because they failed their constituents.

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And if the GOP get their way and eliminates all restrictions so their puppet get a script and becomes a mere employee of the billionaire puppet master, there is hardly anything stopping America from becoming a pure one-party state. A massive scandal involving the deaths of thousands because of this corruption might, just might, cause the people to wake up and demand to get big money out of politics.
Nobody is buying this narrative. The (D)'s are about to get buried in 2018 giving Trump a huge majority because the (D)'s refuse to give up their failed ways.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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You honestly need proof that you will get crushed if you run for office with no money and name recognition?
This is a strawman as it's never the case. Well, it's never the case where (D)'s and (R)'s are concerned.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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You honestly need proof that you will get crushed if you run for office with no money and name recognition? Just google who wins office. There is a "wealth primary" taking place before the actual primaries where the viable candidates are the candidates with the most money and name recognition. A huge section of America, typically working class folks, are eliminated completely in this "wealth primary". You need enormous amounts of money to be a representative of the people in this democracy. That is the definition of plutocracy.
Where's the proof? You seem unable to prove what you claim. BTW, who did you support for President?
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Which applies to no one in a national election. No one. The incumbent will generally have more name recognition but will be well funded. The (D)'s didn't go from large majorities in the House and Senate because a lack of money or name recognition. They did it because they failed their constituents.



Nobody is buying this narrative. The (D)'s are about to get buried in 2018 giving Trump a huge majority because the (D)'s refuse to give up their failed ways.
What in the world are you talking about? There are primaries you know. Try run in a primary with no name recognition and no money. See how well you will do. Run in a race with no incumbent as well. See how you'll do. You will get crushed.

No one said that the reason the Democrats lost was because of lack of money. Forget about the democrats. You dont win elections in a system of bought elections without money and name recognition. And the only way to change that is through huge changes in how campaigns are funded and how the media operates.
 
Old 12-11-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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This is a strawman as it's never the case. Well, it's never the case where (D)'s and (R)'s are concerned.
You wont even get 0.1% if you run in a primary with no money and name recognition. To claim that this is never the case is absurd. Try doing it. See how you'll do.
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