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We'll never know the truth about the 2012 election. There were stories of voter fraud occurring in many states yet Obama's corrupt DOJ and the MSM ignored them all. They would have done the exact same thing this time around if Trump was a democrat.
They would have done the same this time if those voter ID laws weren't finally allowed to take effect, which they weren't for the 2012 election.
There is a chance that the truth will come out. We won't get a congressional investigation, of course, but Trump has made enemies of the media and the CIA. One or the other or both will get to the bottom of his Russian dealings and it will be leaked.
We know foreign governments hack our systems, as we do it to them. Trump was in no way involved with our cyber security. That would be the Obama Administration's job.
In 2012, pre-election polling, exit polling, the electoral margin and the popular margin all pointed to an Obama victory. In 2016, only one of them pointed to a Trump victory and it was by the slimmest of margins imaginable. With certain Russian meddling, Trump's narrow electoral college win will always be suspect and his legitimacy as president will be questioned.
The voting machines were not hacked. The Russians did not tell Hillary to ignore Michigan and Wisconsin. They did not get Bill Clinton to sign and push for NAFTA and all the other various trade agreements. They did not tell Hillary to run on an immigration and globalist platform. They did not tell Hillary to say she has a public and a private position.
On one side you have the winning side poo poo'ing all of the reports about potential, and I stress potential, election issues from Russian hacks and Putin's knowledge to the crosscheck where voters kicked off the polls (Michigan for example) etc.
On the other side you have the losing side whining about blatant misjustice to fraud to fixed, rigged etc.
In my mind, all I can say is there is enough noise for me to at least question the results. But until there is hard concrete evidence as opposed to accusations and reports of look likes and maybes, then we should continue to move forward. The only thing I laugh about is Trump was the one whining and screaming about voter fraud long before he got elected, and now once in of course not a peep.
The truth is that Hillary lost all on her own because of who she is and her policies (that mirror Obama's). Trump offers hope for the future. It's as simple as that.
On one side you have the winning side poo poo'ing all of the reports about potential, and I stress potential, election issues from Russian hacks and Putin's knowledge to the crosscheck where voters kicked off the polls (Michigan for example) etc.
On the other side you have the losing side whining about blatant misjustice to fraud to fixed, rigged etc.
In my mind, all I can say is there is enough noise for me to at least question the results. But until there is hard concrete evidence as opposed to accusations and reports of look likes and maybes, then we should continue to move forward. The only thing I laugh about is Trump was the one whining and screaming about voter fraud long before he got elected, and now once in of course not a peep.
Millennials I know see this all differently. If we are comfortable with DNC etc hacks then would we be comfortable seeing Trumps truthful responses about other Republicans etc., in other words his hacks. Would we feel he was crooked based on tax returns, exposed emails, etc.? You see its easy to judge when you are seeing one side but we know that chances are the other side's lack of exposure doesn't imply angelic innocence. It is simply lack of exposure to make a fair judgement.
Polls were not asking what the EC would do... if Hillary won the popular vote then why should anyone get on a band wagon about the polls being wrong about the EC casting of votes? As to riots we knew it wasn't the protestors but (especially the 1st day) teen-age anarchists LOL... Protestors had nothing to do with it but that wouldn't have made news. Do I believe the news media on both sides exaggerate for ratings? They do. Both sides do, so what is an ordinary citizen to do?
Young people tend to watch Vice News (owned by FOX) in America (which is not seen as propaganda Fox News) and BBC News.
How about the simple fact that people voted for Trump because their families need a job. Forget the propaganda pumping on both sides. It starts as simple as that. Yes Alt-Right voted for him but if you want the truth, they also voted for Obama in hopes of the race war starting. And those who are involved know I'm telling the truth. Everyone has an agenda and it doesn't have to make sense on the surface reading of things.
Last edited by Something Needs To Change; 12-18-2016 at 11:08 AM..
...........The only thing I laugh about is Trump was the one whining and screaming about voter fraud long before he got elected, and now once in of course not a peep.
Then you have a case of selective mirth.
Hillary was the one during the debates who said she would accept the results. Her words were meaningless. Trump said he would accept.
So who was disingenuous?
The voting machines were not hacked. The Russians did not tell Hillary to ignore Michigan and Wisconsin. They did not get Bill Clinton to sign and push for NAFTA and all the other various trade agreements. They did not tell Hillary to run on an immigration and globalist platform. They did not tell Hillary to say she has a public and a private position.
You can say this until you're blue in the face. They don't want to face the truth that Hillary was incompetent and corrupt.
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