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The data that at least she isn't Hillary which is why many Trump voters voted for Trump. Not a chance party hardliners would have voted for Hillary over Nikki.The thread asks if the GOP nominated someone besides Trump could they have won? I think Nikki would have beat Hillary. She doesn't carry Hillary's baggage, isn't known to be in bed with Wall Street, hasn't insulted middle class Americans, and no history of blaming a movie for Benghazi.
based on what???? Hillary beat Obama in 2008 (Super Delegates gave it to Obama) She beat Bernie Sanders and she won the popular vote in the general 2016.....all national campaigns.......not bad for a "weak" candidate.
when has Nikki won a national race on anything for you to base she would win in the general?......all she has done is win as a Republican on a state level in a very Republican state, she has NEVER won a race on a national level....you don't know how she will do in the South, Mid-West, West Coast, Northeast and the battleground states because she has never tested the waters....she has never been under the pressure in a national race as the front runner and we will never know how she would react on the national stage.
Nikki winning in South Carolina as a Republican is like a Democrat winning in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and Los Angeles....that's a gimme......she has yet to prove she can built a national coalition and win a national election.
I didn't think TRUMP could win the general until he won a national primary and got more votes than any Republican in primary history then he proved he had a chance in the general.
Those are not opinions out of the thin air but facts and actually votes.
based on what???? Hillary beat Obama in 2008 (Super Delegates gave it to Obama) She beat Bernie Sanders and she won the popular vote in the general 2016.....all national campaigns.......not bad for a "weak" candidate.
when has Nikki won a national race on anything for you to base she would win in the general?......all she has done is win as a Republican on a state level in a very Republican state, she has NEVER won a race on a national level....you don't know how she will do in the South, Mid-West, West Coast, Northeast and the battleground states because she has never tested the waters....she has never been under the pressure in a national race as the front runner and we will never know how she would react on the national stage.
Nikki winning in South Carolina as a Republican is like a Democrat winning in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and Los Angeles....that's a gimme......she has yet to prove she can built a national coalition and win a national election.
I didn't think TRUMP could win the general until he won a national primary and got more votes than any Republican in primary history then he proved he had a chance in the general.
Those are not opinions out of the thin air but facts and actually votes.
LOL the point is what did Trump win until he was put in the contest? My Point is that any reasonable Republican could have beat Hillary, because she is that bad. So bad in fact that a guy like Trump beat her. It was like he was trying to loose and still won.
But hey this thread is about opinion.
I never would have thought anyone would vote Sanders. The guy's personal life was a train wreck before politics and in spite of a 6 figure salary for over 20 years has less assets than I do. A hardcore socialist. Proof that Hillary is that bad. Sanders almost beat her and might have were it not for a whole lot of DNC intervention.
Says a lot about what people think of the 2 parties. Trump and Hillary!!! The 2 worst choices ever.
Sorry , couldn't vote , Trump did run a really unique campaign the likes of which we've never seen before & although I know there are others that could have beat her , I can't say Trump did nothing unique .
LOL the point is what did Trump win until he was put in the contest? My Point is that any reasonable Republican could have beat Hillary, because she is that bad. So bad in fact that a guy like Trump beat her. It was like he was trying to loose and still won.
But hey this thread is about opinion.
I never would have thought anyone would vote Sanders. The guy's personal life was a train wreck before politics and in spite of a 6 figure salary for over 20 years has less assets than I do. A hardcore socialist. Proof that Hillary is that bad. Sanders almost beat her and might have were it not for a whole lot of DNC intervention.
Says a lot about what people think of the 2 parties. Trump and Hillary!!! The 2 worst choices ever.
Trump beat 16 GOP well knows candidates like Jeb Bush, Kasich and Rubio easily....so if you say Hillary was that bad, what makes them, they lost badly to Trump.
of all the candidates that Trump went against, Hillary was the toughest......he made Jeb, Kasich and Rubio look bad at the polls.
you say Trump and Hillary the worst 2 choices ever??? LOL....shows that you haven't been around......Mondale, Dukakis and Mcgovern were pretty awful.....Jimmy Carter was pretty bad.
Trump took on immigration with no open borders and no amnesty and go after the bad trade deals, that's why he won. NO establishment Republican would do that, they got shy after the Romney defeat in 2012 and the establishment passing orders that the party has to go soft on immigration enforcement or else.
what was Kasich message...open borders, pro amnesty, pro NAFTA, pro TPP and for common core......what was his vision for foreign policy? more of the Bush doctrine.......you think that would have won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida?
even in Ohio, Kasich would be neck and neck with Hillary because of NAFTA and TPP sice bioth support it.....but support a war with Russia.....so why anybody vote for Kasich?
Exactamundo! Kasich and Hillary are different sides of the establishment coin, and people on both sides of the aisle are fed up. Americans were looking for someone to "fight" for them. (I don't count Hillary's rehearsed screeching. It's not from the heart.) I even think Sanders would give Kasich a run for his money. Trump and Sanders may have wildly different views on how to lead the country, but they both have a gusto that you want in your corner. Kasich is unlikeable and a corporate boot-licker same as Hillary.
Trump won all the Battleground states and destroyed Hillary's "Blue Wall". He disproved all those who claimed he had no path to 270. Trump will be the 45th President of the United States.
Hillary for her part had a $2B war chest, the entire MSM behind her, and people said she had a ground game that nobody could match. Yet she lost to Trump So the question is this.
If the GOP had nominated anyone else, say JEB, Ted Cruz, Rubio, etc. could they have beaten Hillary?
What say you?
He lost Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire and Nevada, so obviously he didnt win all of the battleground States.
All of the would have lost the popular vote just like Donald Trump.
Trump took on immigration with no open borders and no amnesty and go after the bad trade deals, that's why he won. NO establishment Republican would do that, they got shy after the Romney defeat in 2012 and the establishment passing orders that the party has to go soft on immigration enforcement or else.
what was Kasich message...open borders, pro amnesty, pro NAFTA, pro TPP and for common core......what was his vision for foreign policy? more of the Bush doctrine.......you think that would have won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida?
even in Ohio, Kasich would be neck and neck with Hillary because of NAFTA and TPP sice bioth support it.....but support a war with Russia.....so why anybody vote for Kasich?
I think Kasich may have gotten enough D votes to flip some of these Midwestern states, but we'll never know. It's also possible that Hillary would have wiped him out in both the electoral and popular votes.
Rubio, Carson, Graham, Jeb, Fiorina, etc, etc were all sure to lose. Cruz was the runner up on the R side, and he would have almost certainly lost as well, after the media got finished with him. Trump was the right guy at the right time. Now let's hope he does a good job.
Nikki winning in South Carolina as a Republican is like a Democrat winning in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and Los Angeles....that's a gimme......she has yet to prove she can built a national coalition and win a national election.
Hmm. Nope.
Go read up on what Haley went through to win the nomination. The GOP establishment in SC did not want her and they threw everything at her including the kitchen sink.
He lost Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire and Nevada, so obviously he didnt win all of the battleground States.
All of the would have lost the popular vote just like Donald Trump.
With possibly the exception of Virginia, those are not battleground states. But it does speak to Hillary's weakness that she came close to losing them.
Go read up on what Haley went through to win the nomination. The GOP establishment in SC did not want her and they threw everything at her including the kitchen sink.
My point was that Haley only ran as a Republican in South Carolina....she has never run a national race.....her views sides more with Rubio, Kasich and Jeb Bush in the Republican party, a reason she endorsed Rubio after Jeb Bush dropped out and was very critical of Trump. She sure took orders from the establishment on Trump.
to say she would have won easily in a general election is a myth.......Trump would have beaten her easily in the primary.
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