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Old 01-23-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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As for not being apathetic anymore, Dems routinely don't show up for midterms either, so it is a good lesson, when you depend on lazy, disengaged, low information voters, sometimes they don't show up.
You left out "naive". Democrats always push hard for young, first-time voters. Unfortunately for them, many of these inexperienced voters hear things like "There's no way we can lose" and take it at face value, so they skip going to the polls.
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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The same people who forecast Trump as never being the RNC nominee, and later never defeating Clinton, are now claiming he isn't popular.

How many times do those folks have to be wrong before you stop listening to them?.
Trump received 62,979,879 votes and per the Census there are 231,556,622 Americans eligible to vote. So Trump was elected President by 30.2% of eligible voters. 92,671,979 Americans eligible to vote, or about half again as many as all those who voted for Trump, did not vote at all.
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Trump received 62,979,879 votes and per the Census there are 231,556,622 Americans eligible to vote. So Trump was elected President by 30.2% of eligible voters. He's really not that popular.
You need to be more honest with the above numbers and at least mention that half the people who are eligible to vote aren't even registered to do so.

Your percent number is in the ballpark of the last several elections.
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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You need to be more honest with the above numbers and at least mention that half the people who are eligible to vote aren't even registered to do so.

Your percent number is in the ballpark of the last several elections.
That doesn't mean they aren't eligible, and I think that should be the baseline.
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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I agree. By 2020 the country will be so ecstatic over the success of President Trump that they will run, walk or crawl to the polls to make sure we keep him around.
I agree normal people want jobs and to work . These snowflakes will grow up eventually when they enter the work force .
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Old 01-23-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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I agree. By 2020 the country will be so ecstatic over the success of President Trump that they will run, walk or crawl to the polls to make sure we keep him around.
It sounds right to say that Trump will succeed if he makes his supporters happy. But I’m not sure that really gets us anywhere unless we have a sense of what exactly is going to satisfy his voters. You believe that Trump will ensure a second term if he improves his voters economic conditions and gets rid of the PC culture. But even this is not as simple as it seems, since one way to do this is to reduce the status and well-being of other groups that are hated by Trump voters. People always judge their well-being relative to others, not in absolute terms. But even if one accepts the idea that Trump will be judged on how he improves his supporters’ economic circumstances, it’s very difficult to tell a coherent story about how policies Trump is likely to adopt will improve the lives of the white working class.

On the other hand, there is plenty that Trump might do to raise the status of his voters, by doing the kind of things that won’t really threaten the elite oligarchy, or indeed threaten the ruling class’s desire for profits. For instance, the ‘consent agreements’ the DOJ has reached with abusive police departments are likely to be halted and probably rescinded. This is one of a series of measures Trump is likely to consider to raise the relative status of whiteness, in relation to the other groups. Criticisms of policing in communities of color are interpreted by Trump supporters as attacks on America, which is their code word for whiteness. This is an area he can win their trust, without improving their lives in any material way. Building the wall, rescinding Daca, etc, are also actions that will prove to be very popular with his supporters, even though it will do absolutely nothing for them economically.

Trump’s white nationalism is likely to be pursued in areas that don’t threaten the existing structure of class economic power. This will be an attempt to restore the cultural benefits of whiteness (not having to press 1 for English, etc.), rather than an attempt to improve their economic circumstances. If he is successful at this, all indications point his voters will be gracious enough to vote him in for another term, despite the fact that their lives did not improve in any substantive materialistic way.
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Old 01-23-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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That doesn't mean they aren't eligible, and I think that should be the baseline.
You missed my point, which was stating that Trump was elected by only 30% of those eligible is true but context needs to be added. That context would include that only about half of those eligible to vote are registered to do so and of those who are registered only about half typically bother to vote.
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I expect there will be high turnout in 2020.

Everyone who isn't a millennial expected them to turn out big in 2016, but among them, one thought another would turn out, even if he didn't.

Since most of Trump's agenda is stuff that will affect them the most, I expect 2016 was their wake-up call; there's always an election when a generation finally realizes the only way to change things is to go vote and participate.

2016 was the year older white men were finally fed up, and voted. I think the same will come with the millennials in 2020.
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:54 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Highly doubt it.

This idea that they can replicate Barrack-like numbers in 2008 come every election year is chasing rainbows.

Plus, the Dems don't have a competent message, candidate or idea.

Their party is like Iraqi politics with different factions vying for dominance.

Besides, they used the "race" and gender gimmick already. That hard has been played.

Plus the Womens March was a flash in the pan. They used that up
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Old 01-23-2017, 09:37 PM
 
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What if Trump does create a decent amount of jobs but the trend continues where new jobs are overwhelmingly located in the blue-voting major metropolitan areas. Would that be considered a success or do they specifically need to be concentrated in certain areas like the Rust Belt and deep red states?
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