News Video, Church in Hot Water After Obama’s Pastor Makes Controversial Statements. (9/11, thoughts)
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you are saying that a black candidate would be affected by his church? he may even win over some black voters, but he is certainly going to lose other voters now that their eyes are opened. he chose to go to that church for 20 years, inculcate his children with those anti-american values, not speak out against it, and have the pastor be an unofficial advisor to his campaign. i do not know who i will vote for yet (since i don't particularly like any of the candidates running) but it definitely will not be obama.
Interesting topic, this question of judgment, church & state and the populace as they cast the first stone.
Isn't this a racist statement? If the statement was "Criticism of 'black America' is not preaching hatred" a lot of people here would be jumping down your throat for being a racist.
I agree here. If this man were a white pastor and saying these hateful things against blacks they would have been all over this. The race baiting started with this lowlife man who has no respect for people as humans and only sees black vs white in his eyes. Talk about racist, this is the perfect example of what a racist really is. It is sad that people are rushing to defend this evil person and making excuses for him.
It was us who said we would go to my pastor for guidance, its was Barrack Obama who said it. Wonder if he is going to denounce him now that we are finding out that he has allot of friends in low places like this pathetic man who shouldnt even be allowed to walk into a church of any kind.
He is not a man, he is a little boy who is a trouble maker.
How long until we start accusing white people with being "aligned with" child-molesting Catholic Priests?
White people or White presidential candidates?
White presidential candidates who attended a church where, unbeknownst to them, a pedophile was the pastor?
Or a white presidential candidate who knowingly embraced the pedophile priest, making him god father to his children, mentor for his life and advisor to his campaign?
Apples and oranges people. Anyway you slice it, one cannot be intimately linked with a hate monger and a race baiter (odd I would have been called that, but somehow the things Rev Wright says are merely a justified response to Jim Crow laws over fifty years ago) without believing what Rev Wright is selling.
How long until we start accusing white people with being "aligned with" child-molesting Catholic Priests?
I was just thinking along the same lines.
Does it mean that everyone who attended a Cathoic church that had a priest accused of chid molestation mean that they are all child molesters?
I'm sure some people left but I am sure that some stayed as well? Why did they stay? maybe despite the bonehead move by the priest they enjoyed worshipping with their felllow peers, it was close to home, etc.
Linking the action of a religious leader with the actions of a follower is an empty argument.
I think people are up in arms because of the tone of his speech. It has that kind of Angry Black Man tone that scares people so much that some are even threatening to vote for McCain which I'm surein some peopes eyes is the less threatening choice.
Does it mean that everyone who attended a Cathoic church that had a priest accused of chid molestation mean that they are all child molesters?
I'm sure some people left but I am sure that some stayed as well? Why did they stay? maybe despite the bonehead move by the priest they enjoyed worshipping with their felllow peers, it was close to home, etc.
Linking the action of a religious leader with the actions of a follower is an empty argument.
I think people are up in arms because of the tone of his speech. It has that kind of Angry Black Man tone that scares people so much that some are even threatening to vote for McCain which I'm surein some peopes eyes is the less threatening choice.
Are you Catholic? I assure you, that when a priest had been 'outed' as a pedophile he was long gone. Parishaners would not stand for it. I know of two instances where a father punched a priest in the sacristy as a way of saying that he was no longer welcome. Believe me, Catholics may have been kept in the dark for many years, but around the 1980s word began to spread between different parishes and that parishoners kicked out priests when archbishops refused to.
Also, its not the tone that the Rev. used, it was the words that he said. If he whispered them lovingly, they would still be just as ugly.
The way to de-fang these bloodthirsty critics is to open the doors of the church. As long as the media gets to portray the church as some amorphous mob of Black militants, Obama will continue to get dogged by these specious questions.
You open the doors of the church. And you do the very thing that best undercuts those fears of the unknown: You give it a face. You give it a name. You give it a culture; life and context. You take away the mystery. Why? Because ignorance feeds off of that mystery.
The way to de-fang these bloodthirsty critics is to open the doors of the church. As long as the media gets to portray the church as some amorphous mob of Black militants, Obama will continue to get dogged by these specious questions.
You open the doors of the church. And you do the very thing that best undercuts those fears of the unknown: You give it a face. You give it a name. You give it a culture; life and context. You take away the mystery. Why? Because ignorance feeds off of that mystery.
Excellent suggestion! I wish that they would do just that. I wish that either Rev Wright or the current pastor would explain the sermons that have been shown (albeit not in their entirety). I would love to know what were the basis for these, and perhaps see some other videos of past sermons that preached the unity and change that I find so attractive in Sen Obamas campaign.
Hopefully when the Pastor returns from vacation he'll be willing to open the doors and have a discussion with reporters. I don't believe it's the candidates responsibility to provide an explanation for his actions or words. He's more than capable of this, himself.
There's nothing wrong with apologizing within the context of, someone speaking on your behalf and offending an audience. That's the right thing to do. But the offender should be able to defend himself and speak his peace.
If a candidate distances themselves from one who doesn't share their views he's no more guilty than the rest of us. Who among us has not had a group of friends and acquaintances with whom we no longer associate for some reason or another. It is with judicial use of prejudice that we choose our friends. And we replace them as often as not.
We need to hear the issues, enough with the sideshows, the issues are the main event.
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