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Old 01-03-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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He won the State..but it was no walkover..a third party candidate..who ran on only one thing..better me than Trump..got quite a few votes--and the rest? Well..they held their noses and voted R--rather than vote for Clinton--but if you think that Trump is popular in Utah..you don't know Utah.
Yeah, in the 4 elections before, the percent the R candidate got here was in the 60s and 70s. Trump got like 45. McMullin only started in August 2016 and still got 21% of the vote. It was a lot of people voting R despite him, not for him.
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Romney has owned a vacation home in Park City for decades, and over a year ago, moved to Salt Lake City when he bought another home in a suburb.

He's lived there full-time ever since, and became fully qualified to run for the Senate.

While he hasn't made an announcement yet, he's been doing a lot of fund-raising all over the mountain west for a full year, so it's common knowledge in these parts that he intends to run for the Senate.

3/4 of the Utah voters wanted Hatch to retire before his last re-election, and Hatch himself announced he planned to retire earlier in 2017.

Trump began pressuring to run again when Hatch became one of Trump's wheel-horses in the Senate, so Hatch began talking about one more term, but over the holiday recess, I'm sure he got a pretty hard thumping by his state party leaders and the other power players.

Romney intends to be the next Senator from Utah, and the voters intend to elect him. Orrin Hatch would have been crushed in the primary.

Utahans don't like Trump, never have, and anyone from the Utah delegation who supports Trump will lose next year.
No doubt.
This Op-Ed, released just before he announced his decision, was brutal, particularly their last point:

"The selection of Sen. Orrin G. Hatch as the 2017 Utahn of the Year has little to do with the fact that, after 42 years, he is the longest-serving Republican senator in U.S. history, that he has been a senator from Utah longer than three-fifths of the state’s population has been alive.
It has everything to do with recognizing:

Hatch’s part in the dramatic dismantling of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments.
His role as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee in passing a major overhaul of the nation’s tax code.
His utter lack of integrity that rises from his unquenchable thirst for power."


Tribune Editorial: Why Orrin Hatch is Utahn of the Year - The Salt Lake Tribune

Ouch.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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No doubt.
This Op-Ed, released just before he announced his decision, was brutal, particularly their last point:

"The selection of Sen. Orrin G. Hatch as the 2017 Utahn of the Year has little to do with the fact that, after 42 years, he is the longest-serving Republican senator in U.S. history, that he has been a senator from Utah longer than three-fifths of the state’s population has been alive.
It has everything to do with recognizing:

Hatch’s part in the dramatic dismantling of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments.
His role as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee in passing a major overhaul of the nation’s tax code.
His utter lack of integrity that rises from his unquenchable thirst for power."


Tribune Editorial: Why Orrin Hatch is Utahn of the Year - The Salt Lake Tribune

Ouch.
Ironically, did you notice the complaints about "freezing out the field" so rivals don't have a chance of fairly opposing them in a primary? I had to check the by-line to see if the writer was Bernie Sanders.

Of course that's what veteran politicians do. It's a dirty game.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Ugh. Good riddance! I wish McCain, and Lindsay Graham would go too!
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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He won the State..but it was no walkover..a third party candidate..who ran on only one thing..better me than Trump..got quite a few votes--and the rest? Well..they held their noses and voted R--rather than vote for Clinton--but if you think that Trump is popular in Utah..you don't know Utah.
did I say he was popular? no, of course not, but the fact remains he won,so it is highly unlikely he is hated in Utah. I think considering there were 6 candidates in the race, Trump getting about 45% shows he isn't hated. Of course there were many who voted for him as the lesser of all the evils. This was the case throughout the country wouldn't you say?
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Party before country. The poster you are responding to believes in that as well.
and you don't put party first? As for me, yes, I do vote Republican when it comes to president but I can think of a couple of candidates with a D next to their names that I would have chosen over our President. In other races I vote candidate over party. the problem is, normally the GOP believes more like I do. Wouldn't you say you do the same? and I support my country over everything.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I'm sure Trump is not happy about losing an ally, but that alliance may have cost him.

Poll: Nearly 80 percent of voters want Hatch to retire | TheHill
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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I don’t have a party. Left the Republican one. Think both need to go.

I was very happy to have an option in McMullin so I didn’t have to just choose the “better” of either two main candidates. We didn’t choose Trump in the primary; he was 3rd with only 14%. I am sad so many felt they had to vote party over everything else considering.

One glimpse in a local editorial:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...cy.html?pg=all

“We prefer to stand for something rather than against someone. But this is one of those rare moments where it is necessary to take a clear stand against the hucksterism, misogyny, narcissism and latent despotism that infect the Trump campaign even as we hope for a more auspicious future of liberty, prosperity and peace for the nation.”
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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I'm sure Trump is not happy about losing an ally, but that alliance may have cost him.

Poll: Nearly 80 percent of voters want Hatch to retire | TheHill
Perhaps some, but I’m sure a lot was wantingn a new voice. He’s been there 40 years now.
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Old 01-03-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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did I say he was popular? no, of course not, but the fact remains he won,so it is highly unlikely he is hated in Utah. I think considering there were 6 candidates in the race, Trump getting about 45% shows he isn't hated. Of course there were many who voted for him as the lesser of all the evils. This was the case throughout the country wouldn't you say?
I lived in Utah for years and have a lot of family and friends there. I’m unaware of any that don’t hate him. I’m sure there are people there that love him or support him but for the most he isn’t liked from what I’ve see .
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