Dems prefer old white men over Oprah, Elizabeth Warren (president, Clinton, Sanders)
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I've done this many times. Bernie would have won Wisconsin and Michigan. He beat Hillary in both states. That leaves Pennsylvania. You can argue that either way but Bernie wouldn't have taken it for granted and would have campaigned extensively there.
Okay, but when Minorities don't support you in large numbers, and only young people support him, then that's an issue. White voters are the only ones who support him 50%. But if you look, as voters get older, Bernie's numbers drop significantly. He definitely would have won younger voters, no doubt, but he would have had a hard time with older white voters, and Minorities, and because Gen X and Baby Boomers make up the largest voting block, then he would have an issue. Especially cause majority of white voters vote Republican anyway.
Okay, but when Minorities don't support you in large numbers, and only young people support him, then that's an issue. White voters are the only ones who support him 50%. But if you look, as voters get older, Bernie's numbers drop significantly
I'm 56. Nobody that voted for Hillary would have refused to vote for Bernie. Not so as we see, the other way around. Older voters are reliable as voters. You have to get the young enthused like Obama did. The older voters would have came out and voted Bernie. The younger voters (and minorities in places Hillary needed a big turn out) didn't show up.
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He definitely would have won younger voters, no doubt, but he would have had a hard time with older white voters, and Minorities, and because Gen X and Baby Boomers make up the largest voting block, then he would have an issue. Especially cause majority of white voters vote Republican anyway.
Bernie would not have lost a single state Hillary won. He would have won Michigan and Wisc. That leaves Pennsylvania.
I'm 56. Nobody that voted for Hillary would have refused to vote for Bernie. Not so as we see, the other way around. Older voters are reliable as voters. You have to get the young enthused like Obama did. The older voters would have came out and voted Bernie. The younger voters (and minorities in places Hillary needed a big turn out) didn't show up.
Bernie would not have lost a single state Hillary won. He would have won Michigan and Wisc. That leaves Pennsylvania.
In the primaries, people voted Hillary over Bernie. So yes, I am positive Hillary voters didn't just vote for her over Bernie for no reason. Yes, they are reliable, but when his support is mostly younger voters not older voters, and they don't turn up, he could lose. Also, Bernie's support decreases the older the voter. Older white voters generally vote Republican, and he has a terrible appeal among minorities. So to say he would win is just a guess really.
He wouldn't have. But if he was going against Trump, Bernie would have lost Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio. If Trump wins PA, then it would be all over anyways.
He wouldn't have. But if he was going against Trump, Bernie would have lost Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio. If Trump wins PA, then it would be all over anyways.
It would have came down to PA. As I said, Sanders wouldn't have ignored the state like Hillary did.
It would have came down to PA. As I said, Sanders wouldn't have ignored the state like Hillary did.
Also, when his appeal is only limited to younger voters, and they aren't reliable, that is a problem. Older white voters tend to vote Republican, and he doesn't have good appeal to minorities. The older the voter got, the less likely they were to support Bernie. It's just the truth.
Also, when his appeal is only limited to younger voters, and they aren't reliable, that is a problem. Older white voters tend to vote Republican, and he doesn't have good appeal to minorities. The older the voter got, the less likely they were to support Bernie. It's just the truth.
Yeah, it didn't help that they ran a smear campaign on Bernie trying to paint him as an "old white man" that doesn't support women or blacks.
Weaponized racism and gender attacks are the norm in the primaries and national election anymore.
while I think socialist sanders was/is a horrible canidate...it should be pointed out, that he probably would have beat trump back in 16, compared to the horrible candidate that the dems ran in hillary
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Actually I really don't think so. Sanders is highly popular among Millennials and Whites have a 50/50 favorable opinion of him. And, Clinton whooped Sanders in the Black, Hispanic, and Asian voters. Then you look at the 30-45, 45-60, and 60+ age group voters, and more disapprove than approve of Bernie. So, I think he would win younger voters, but when Generation X and Baby Boomers are still the majority voting block, he would have a very hard time.
I am not saying my analysis is perfect, but from the numbers I have seen (and I am NOT a democrat):
Sanders had a better chance of beating trump than Hillary did....and biden even more so (if he was allowed to run)
rumors (and I do understand the reliability of the rumor-mill) point to many Democratic Sanders supporters either staying home or voting for trump.....
the problem is the democrats keep pushing far left(sanders, warren, Hillary)...and for ONLY a minority or female candidate(warren, Hillary).......and that is not a winning strategy......
had Biden been running against Trump...... I would have picked(and voted for) Biden....and I am NOT a democrat
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Biden, Sanders lead over Oprah and Elizabeth Warren
If it is a choice between an old white man and an orange lunatic, I'll take the old white man.
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