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Old 03-01-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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Doesn't take much to discern a disgusting pig.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWux5BAczk
Maybe five people will read your continued low information cathartic nonsense that confers magic powers to one half of the high school educated nation. Whereas what I laid out is the truth that defines the situation for the United States.

So, what else do you have? Let's read another witty insult. Maybe two people will read the next one.
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Old 03-01-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Maybe five people will read your continued low information cathartic nonsense that confers magic powers to one half of the high school educated nation. Whereas what I laid out is the truth that defines the situation for the United States.

So, what else do you have? Let's read another witty insult. Maybe two people will read the next one.
I didn't realize you were God.

Looks like you and Trump have something in common then. Seeing yourself as superior to everyone else.
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Old 03-01-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Trump failed to carry the White vote in California, Oregon, and Washington. He also underperformed among Whites in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, and Colorado. Someone wrote an interesting article on this a while back, saying that Whites out West are a "different species" than Whites elsewhere in the country, noting that even in New York Trump carried the White vote.
I'm guessing that a lot of it is also cultural. The mountain region and west tends to have a lot more "free spirited" and outdoor oriented people and have less interest in corporate ladders and rather work-life balances.

Easy example: I grew up in Chicago. Most jobs had a standard 2 weeks vacation for new employees, have a formal or business casual dress code and few have remote-work/work from home opportunities. Out here in Colorado, many companies that I have friends at are more laid back. Jeans and a polo. 3+ weeks of vacation (or unlimited), work from home 1-2 days/week, more work social gatherings with Friday afternoon happy hours etc.

The more centered you are around corporate culture, the more you might find some of Trump's policies appealing.

That's my take, at least.
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Old 03-01-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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CA is full of illegals, robber baron CEOs, probably loads of H1Bs (though not as bad as NJ, though NJ didn't go to Trump either.) , the Berkley nuts, and other Far Far Leftists.

Other states like Oregon and Washington MIGHT have gone for Trump had not a few large Democrat cities swayed the vote. Nevada and New Mexico were filled with people fleeing CA and also illegals. Same thing for Colorado.

As for Arizona, I fear they are near tipping but I think they went for Trump.
Translation: Trump might have won had not the majority of the voting population voted against him. Duh.
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Old 03-01-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Every state but MN (and that by less than 10,000 votes.) went to Reagan for his second term. George HW took CA in his one term.


It was Reagan's stupid amnesty that was in large part responsible for the bluing of the West Coast.
Actually, no.

All the coastal states regularly switched from R to D and back again. In fact, for the decades I lived in Oregon, Oregon voters went for moderate Rs with an environmental bent every chance they were given. This kind of R no longer exists in national political life. Tom McCall typified the breed, and to this day, Ds and Rs alike think of McCall as the quintessential Oregonian.

Then California Gov Pete Wilson (R), supported the (not-so-bright) idea of instituting a state-run citizenship screening system with the intention of preventing illegal immigrants from using social services (California Proposition 187). The referendum passed but was struck down. Boom.

"In November 1997, Pfaelzer found the law to be unconstitutional on the basis that it infringed on the federal government's exclusive jurisdiction over matters relating to immigration."

"Republicans' embrace of Proposition 187 has been cited as a key factor for the decline of the Republican Party in California."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...roposition_187

I'll note that while the bill was aimed at Hispanics, much of California's Asian population also opposed it, and a lot of whites did also. Those of us who actually live here agree that this marks the turning point for the shift from purple to reliably blue in California, and west coasters tend to hang together as a bunch. Not least because we move between the states. As an adult, I've lived in all three, and feel at home in all three, although I prefer the cooler climate in the PNW.

There are other contributing reasons to the shift, which I think are are more important over the long-term than immigration, notably the increasingly anti-environment stance of national Rs, and attitudes about the proper place of religion in politics.

An aside - if it weren't for immigration controversies, I think most Hispanics would be voting R. Most are socially conservative and believe in the primacy of the family and the value of hard work. If they no longer felt so threatened by R immigration attitudes - well, California, Oregon, and Washington wouldn't be nearly so solid blue as they are now.

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Old 03-01-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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CA is full of illegals, robber baron CEOs, probably loads of H1Bs (though not as bad as NJ, though NJ didn't go to Trump either.) , the Berkley nuts, and other Far Far Leftists.

Other states like Oregon and Washington MIGHT have gone for Trump had not a few large Democrat cities swayed the vote. Nevada and New Mexico were filled with people fleeing CA and also illegals. Same thing for Colorado.

As for Arizona, I fear they are near tipping but I think they went for Trump.
Every state in the west has suffered from Californication. The situation is similar in Oregon and Washington, a large, urban, liberal population on the west side, and a rural, conservative, agricultural east. In 2016, Hillary only won 8 of Oregon's 36 counties, and 11 of Washington's 39, but won Multnomah county (Portland) with 75.7% and King county (Seattle) with 71.9% And King county has at least half a million more people than all twenty eastern Washington counties combined, so what Seattle wants, the state gets.

Considering that Seattle has twice elected a communist to the city council, and the Tom Steyer glee club as governor, any return to sanity probably won't be anytime soon.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Hillary only won 8 of Oregon's 36 counties, and 11 of Washington's 39.
It's called population density.

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Old 03-01-2018, 10:46 PM
 
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Utah definitely didn’t want him in the primary and it’s hardly a liberal state.


Trump lost Texas and Ohio during the primaries and won those states comfortably in the general....your point?......you are not supposed to win all the primaries....Not even Reagan did that.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Every state in the west has suffered from Californication. The situation is similar in Oregon and Washington, a large, urban, liberal population on the west side, and a rural, conservative, agricultural east. In 2016, Hillary only won 8 of Oregon's 36 counties, and 11 of Washington's 39, but won Multnomah county (Portland) with 75.7% and King county (Seattle) with 71.9% And King county has at least half a million more people than all twenty eastern Washington counties combined, so what Seattle wants, the state gets.

Considering that Seattle has twice elected a communist to the city council, and the Tom Steyer glee club as governor, any return to sanity probably won't be anytime soon.
Translation - the state gets what the majority of its voters want.

It is not unfair that the majority rules.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Wasn't there a report that CA had 3 million illegal alien voters? Was that a hoax, or swept under the rug to protect Hillary?
It was as true as there being a child sex ring in a pizza place.

They should change the saying "like taking candy from a baby" and "like shooting fish in a barrel" to "like getting a Republican to believe something that any five year old would recognize as being preposterous".
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