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Old 04-16-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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Silver is still in business despite saying that there was a zero chance of Trump winning.
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Except that Nate Silver never said such a thing.

Why do you persist in posting demonstrable falsehoods?
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Yes he did.


Nate Silver said Donald Trump had no shot. Where did he go wrong?

Now demonstrate how that is false.
You have demonstrated that you lack even a weak grasp of statistics.

Your citation above quotes a lot of other people claiming that Nate Silver said Trump had no chance, but Nate Silver never predicted that Trump had 'zero chance'.

Silver always had Trump at some small probability of winning the presidential election. That's not 'zero chance', as you claimed in your original post.

I'd ask you to admit that you were incorrect in your blanket statement, but who are we kidding here...there's only a 0.0001% chance of that happening.
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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You have demonstrated that you lack even a weak grasp of statistics.

Your citation above quotes a lot of other people claiming that Nate Silver said Trump had no chance, but Nate Silver never predicted that Trump had 'zero chance'.

Silver always had Trump at some small probability of winning the presidential election. That's not 'zero chance', as you claimed in your original post.

I'd ask you to admit that you were incorrect in your blanket statement, but who are we kidding here...there's only a 0.0001% chance of that happening.
Saying that he had the same chance as playing for an NFL team is saying he had no chance. Silver admitted that the statement was based upon his personal bias and NOT statistics.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Saying that he had the same chance as playing for an NFL team is saying he had no chance. Silver admitted that the statement was based upon his personal bias and NOT statistics.
What is your point ? You agreed in previous posts that Trump winning was improbable

As long as Silver didn't put his chance at 0, then he wasn't wrong.

Defying the odds does not make the odds wrong.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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What is your point ? You agreed in previous posts that Trump winning was improbable

As long as Silver didn't put his chance at 0, then he wasn't wrong.

Defying the odds does not make the odds wrong.
The argument was that being wrong would ruin your reputation. I simply noted that it didn't Silver's.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:41 PM
 
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I'd ask you to admit that you were incorrect in your blanket statement, but who are we kidding here...there's only a 0.0001% chance of that happening.
Yup.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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The argument was that being wrong would ruin your reputation. I simply noted that it didn't Silver's.
Because Nate Silver constantly used the best data and methods available to make his predictions, which at the night of the election gave Trump pretty decent odds.

Thats called using science to make predictions. And as events unfolded the probabilities changes, and Nate Silver reported those.

Thats how you make a reputation. By making prediction based on current facts. Im pretty impressed by Nate Silver, and those that understand what he does mostly are too.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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Because Nate Silver constantly used the best data and methods available to make his predictions, which at the night of the election gave Trump pretty decent odds.

Thats called using science to make predictions. And as events unfolded the probabilities changes, and Nate Silver reported those.

Thats how you make a reputation. By making prediction based on current facts. Im pretty impressed by Nate Silver, and those that understand what he does mostly are too.
It's almost a cult.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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It's almost a cult.
Now you aver that the mathematical discipline of statistics is a cult?

Telling...quite telling...
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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Now you aver that the mathematical discipline of statistics is a cult?

Telling...quite telling...
I addressed that. Silver admitted his prediction had NOTHING to do with statistics. He even said it was a mistake for him to do that.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The argument was that being wrong would ruin your reputation. I simply noted that it didn't Silver's.
Except, Nate silver wasn't wrong. That's the point I'm trying to get you to understand

Probibility - the likelihood of something happening or being the case.

Threading the needle , as Trump did, doesn't make anyone wrong if you are talking about probabilities

Nate silver predicts the likelihood of elections , not the actual outcomes.
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