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Old 06-13-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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The Democratic National Committee’s rules and bylaws committee adopted a new rule on Friday [6/8/18] that would prevent outsiders like Bernie Sanders from seeking the party’s nomination in the 2020 presidential race.

“At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat,” the rule says. “Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they: A. are a member of the Democratic Party; B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eye-berni...225841348.html



I'm surprised by this. democrat socialist Bernie has a real shot of winning the presidential election should he run in 2020, but it doesn't look like he would get support from the dnc for a presidential run in 2020. he has always said he is not a democrat.



This is good news! The Dems should have done this in 2016! Bernie Sanders is dumb as a door knob.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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"lost" yes. He was cheated and no I did not vote for him nor pull for him. I know if he had been the nominee it would have been a closer race than it was. MILLIONS of younger folks love Sanders idiotic policies but as my status says. When democrats lose America wins.
yes, darn those 4,000,000 more people who voted for Hillary and "cheated" a non-Democrat who only wanted the party's money and media attention out of the nomination.
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Old 06-14-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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yes, darn those 4,000,000 more people who voted for Hillary and "cheated" a non-Democrat who only wanted the party's money and media attention out of the nomination.
exactly.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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Bernie running in the Democratic primary is akin to non-union workers wanting union benefits. He doesn't want to be held to what the party wants, yet he wants their backing. Or maybe the easier way to say it is he wants to have his cake and eat it too (I hate that saying).

At the convention, both parties put up what they call their "planks" - this is what they stand for as a party. Bernie wouldn't have to agree to the party plank while gaining the "benefit" of putting the (D) next to his name... or maybe he'd still get to put an (I). Doesn't matter.

I get why the DNC is doing it. It is technically their party. We've seen the Republican party be transformed into the Trump Party. What was that tweet the other day sent by the RNC chair? "Get in line and drink the kool-aid?" Wait, that wasn't it but it is a valid paraphrasing of it.

I suppose the DNC doesn't want to risk having a politician they can't control come and take over their party. For better or worse, they should be commended. What if Bernie (or another Independent) was the candidate with the best shot to beat Trump? But they weren't a Democrat and not beholden to the Democratic Party? Should the game be "win at all costs?" Or should the DNC try hold the party to its ideals?

We can clearly see that nearly all Republican politicians want to "win at all costs" and have all hopped in Trump's boat without life jackets. Who is stay if it will sink? It might not. Maybe they'll reach the port in 2020 and 2024 and come out the better. Or maybe they'll be too many holes in the hull and the ship will go down and take the Republicans with it. Honestly, I feel like this is what Republicans in office are saying right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSdU8tbcHY
Link is safe for work

Makes for great TV. If anything, I can't say the news is not interesting.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Bernie running in the Democratic primary is akin to non-union workers wanting union benefits. He doesn't want to be held to what the party wants, yet he wants their backing. Or maybe the easier way to say it is he wants to have his cake and eat it too (I hate that saying).
One could as easily point out that the party wants my backing but they aren't interested in what I want even though they pretend to.

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At the convention, both parties put up what they call their "planks" - this is what they stand for as a party. Bernie wouldn't have to agree to the party plank while gaining the "benefit" of putting the (D) next to his name... or maybe he'd still get to put an (I). Doesn't matter.
It's already been pointed out that Bernie can't register as a (D).

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I get why the DNC is doing it. It is technically their party. We've seen the Republican party be transformed into the Trump Party. What was that tweet the other day sent by the RNC chair? "Get in line and drink the kool-aid?" Wait, that wasn't it but it is a valid paraphrasing of it.
Like it or not, Trump is doing the things that the people who elected him to do want him to do. Are the parties suppose to represent the people or their own interests?

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I suppose the DNC doesn't want to risk having a politician they can't control come and take over their party. For better or worse, they should be commended. What if Bernie (or another Independent) was the candidate with the best shot to beat Trump? But they weren't a Democrat and not beholden to the Democratic Party? Should the game be "win at all costs?" Or should the DNC try hold the party to its ideals?
Bernie stood for far more of the things that the (D)'s say they stand for than did Hillary.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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One could as easily point out that the party wants my backing but they aren't interested in what I want even though they pretend to.
That is simplistic.

You and the party disagree on some issues, not all.


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It's already been pointed out that Bernie can't register as a (D).
Contextually that is false. Only 20 states have party registration. What the rule states is simply that an individual affirm their party affiliation.

you seem to be harping on "register" for the sake of being able to say anyone who uses that term is wrong.


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Like it or not, Trump is doing the things that the people who elected him to do want him to do. Are the parties suppose to represent the people or their own interests?
Not really sure what you are arguing here, Trump represents the people who elected him, which was not a majority of the Republican party, but once he won the nomination, he changed the party platform to more fit his beliefs and of the people who followed him.

The same is true of who ever wins the Democratic nomination every 4 years.


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Bernie stood for far more of the things that the (D)'s say they stand for than did Hillary.
Thats not true. You may honestly not like it, but the Democratic Party has never been far left, it has never been Democratic socialist. Bernie Sanders did not represent the Democratic Party more than an actual Democrat.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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That is simplistic.

You and the party disagree on some issues, not all.
That can be said of nearly every politician of any party. We disagree on the major items even though the (D)'s used to pretend to be for them.

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Contextually that is false. Only 20 states have party registration. What the rule states is simply that an individual affirm their party affiliation.

you seem to be harping on "register" for the sake of being able to say anyone who uses that term is wrong.
If Sanders would have won he would have been President Bernie Sanders (D).

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Not really sure what you are arguing here, Trump represents the people who elected him, which was not a majority of the Republican party, but once he won the nomination, he changed the party platform to more fit his beliefs and of the people who followed him.

The same is true of who ever wins the Democratic nomination every 4 years.
Obama was elected to end the wars as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to prosecute the bankers that had broke our laws as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to get lobbying out of the White House as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to deal with immigration in his first year in office as that is what he promised. He did not. Hillary would have been no different. I wasn't interested in another 4 years of George Bush.

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Thats not true. You may honestly not like it, but the Democratic Party has never been far left, it has never been Democratic socialist. Bernie Sanders did not represent the Democratic Party more than an actual Democrat.
There is a reason that thousands showed up to Bernie's rallies and no one showed up to Hillary's..
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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That can be said of nearly every politician of any party. We disagree on the major items even though the (D)'s used to pretend to be for them.
we disagree


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If Sanders would have won he would have been President Bernie Sanders (D).
I actually agree with this statement, but it is because He and his supporters would have purged anyone who disagreed with them.... Or they would have point blank left on their own.


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Obama was elected to end the wars as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to prosecute the bankers that had broke our laws as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to get lobbying out of the White House as that is what he promised. He did not. Obama was elected to deal with immigration in his first year in office as that is what he promised. He did not. Hillary would have been no different.
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President Bush ended the war in Iraq long before Obama took office, and he indeed finished a draw down in Afghanistan. So he actually fulfilled both of those promises.

Barack Obama never promised to prosecute bankers. You are arguing that you supported him because you thought he would illegally put people in jail just because their business practices hurt people.

We have argued about the lobbyist thing for years.


As for immigration, you are wrong again. That is the DREAM act that Republicans chose to vote against. You and Obama had different ideas, you need to be able to admit to yourself that his policies are not the same as what you wanted them to be rather than pretending he promised thing he never said or blaming him because Republicans didnt support him on those issues.


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I wasn't interested in another 4 years of George Bush.
Simple question.

IS Donald Trump better than Hillary Clinton on those issues ?

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There is a reason that thousands showed up to Bernie's rallies and no one showed up to Hillary's..
I honestly believe you believe what you typed, but it just isnt true.

Hillary had many large rallies(videos still put on youtube with crowd panning). You are a Bernie supporter, I get it, but what is the point of lying to yourself and making a crowd size argument when there was a primary and he lost by 4 million votes.

Are you saying she didnt really get those votes(fake ballots) or are you actually arguing that crowd size based on a false premise equates to excitement ?
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:29 AM
 
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President Bush ended the war in Iraq long before Obama took office,
This has long been a waste of time. We are still there. It does not do any good to discuss things with people who refuse to do so honestly.

And for the record.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/28/obamas-big-lie/

Obama, Holder let another big bank off the hook | MSNBC
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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This has long been a waste of time. We are still there. It does not do any good to discuss things with people who refuse to do so honestly.

And for the record.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/28/obamas-big-lie/

Obama, Holder let another big bank off the hook | MSNBC
I am discussing the subject honestly.

Do we have soldiers in Iraq still, yes

Is it the same as being at war no.

(Numbers are US military;army, navy,and air force, not just soldiers)

We have 55,000 troops in Japan
35,000 in South Korea(navy is technically in international waters)
34,000 in Germany
18,000 in Italy
10,000 in Saudi Arabia
10,000 in Poland
9,000 in the UK
6,000 in Kuwait
6,000 in Bahrain
5,000 in Spain
5,000 in the Gulf near Yemen


4,800 in Iraq.

We had more soldiers die because of training accidents and mishaps(15) than in Combat in Iraq(3) in 2017.

More soldiers died in Africa than in Iraq. More soldiers died state side than in Afghanistan. More soldiers died in accidents in the UK than in combat in Iraq.

As for your links, you should read them more carefully.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ecting-economy

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It's also why it expands DOJ's authority to prosecute fraud that takes place in many of the private institutions not covered under current federal bank fraud criminal statutes -- institutions where more than half of all subprime mortgages came from as recently as four years ago.
in short, it wasnt illegal when they did it. he made it illegal going forward.

You can not retroactively put people in jail for using legal loopholes.

Why is this so hard for you to understand ?
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