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Old 06-17-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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I don't care who they run in 2020, as long as we derail Trump's border control plans. As a business owner, I cannot afford for those plans to go through, as they would destroy my business. I rely on a constant supply of cheap, unskilled labor to keep my business profitable and to maintain my lifestyle.

If I had to pay Americans to do these jobs, and contribute to social security, medicare, unemployment, etc as well as 401k and health insurance, I would be in trouble.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I don't care who they run in 2020, as long as we derail Trump's border control plans. As a business owner, I cannot afford for those plans to go through, as they would destroy my business. I rely on a constant supply of cheap, unskilled labor to keep my business profitable and to maintain my lifestyle.

If I had to pay Americans to do these jobs, and contribute to social security, medicare, unemployment, etc as well as 401k and health insurance, I would be in trouble.
Just change your last name to Trump, and you should be fine doing whatever you want, regardless of the laws he puts in place for everyone else.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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Again, the flaw in your premise is that more people in the military died by helicopter crash in flordia than in action in Iraq. More soldiers did in car crashes in the UK than in combat in Afghanistan. More soldiers died in various parts of Africa than in Iraq.
There is no flaw. It's never just about us. It's about the many other innocent lives lost. The lies we are told to remain there .

Those we kill are the very same people we condemned Saddam for killing.

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You seem to be making your argument based on the definition of war/conflict rather than the actual danger people are put in.

Technical arguments do not work in the face of practical ones. But you dont want to have that honest conversation.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-since-2003/#0
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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Just change your last name to Trump, and you should be fine doing whatever you want, regardless of the laws he puts in place for everyone else.
What are you talking about? I just said I hope Trump's plan does not go through, as I rely on the Democrats' plan of continued cheap labor for my business to prosper. That's how politics works, get it? I write my checks to Chuck and Nancy, and they make sure I, and others like me get what we need.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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There is no flaw. It's never just about us. It's about the many other innocent lives lost. The lies we are told to remain there .

Those we kill are the very same people we condemned Saddam for killing.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-since-2003/#0
No, we arent killing the same people Saddam is, but if that is your argument, then it is a far better one than what you have been doing which is simply having troops there and being "at war".

My question to you is, How do you attribute deaths to a certain group(US military vs ISIS vs Iraq military) ?

It could very well be argued we are more directly responsible for deaths in Nigeria,Niger, Cameroon, Chad, Sudan( with the multi nation fight of Boko Haram) than we are in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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No, we arent killing the same people Saddam is, but if that is your argument, then it is a far better one than what you have been doing which is simply having troops there and being "at war".
Saddam isn't killing anyone.

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My question to you is, How do you attribute deaths to a certain group(US military vs ISIS vs Iraq military) ?
Drones are indiscriminate even if we want to pretend they aren't.

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It could very well be argued we are more directly responsible for deaths in Nigeria,Niger, Cameroon, Chad, Sudan( with the multi nation fight of Boko Haram) than we are in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Syria.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Saddam isn't killing anyone.
Drones are indiscriminate even if we want to pretend they aren't.



Syria.

The point was that the US isnt responsible for every death in those calculations. ISIS is responsible for much of those. the DOD not to long ago released the number of fighters it killed in Africa and it was higher than ISIS fighters killed.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:22 PM
 
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The point was that the US isnt responsible for every death in those calculations. ISIS is responsible for much of those. the DOD not to long ago released the number of fighters it killed in Africa and it was higher than ISIS fighters killed.
We did help arm and create Isis so.........

Just like we did Al Queda before it.

Just like we armed Saddam.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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We did help arm and create Isis so.........

Just like we did Al Queda before it.

Just like we armed Saddam.
by arm, you mean ISIS stole weapons and money.
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Old 06-17-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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by arm, you mean ISIS stole weapons and money.
No, that is not what I mean.
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