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Old 06-09-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Maybe Bernie should run as an independent against the Democratic candidate... That would teach the DNC a lesson and reverse that rule...
Somebody from the "left" will. You can bet on it.
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Old 06-09-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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What did Bernie expect? People who had been precinct chairs for years, going to their county convention for years, etc, should just roll over and let anybody be their candidate?

Bernie can KMA on the courthouse steps. He and his idiot disciples did as much damage to the democratic party as Billary Clinton.

Lots of party regulars cannot stand the DNC. It's an internal thing. A family fight. The family had a right to make their own rules.

Bernie can now get on the ballot like every other independent.
Bernie's platform represent the democratic electorate far more than Wall Street democrats, according to all polls. There is tremendous support for a New Deal agenda. But as long as unlimited money from Wall Street can flood our political process, the will of the people doesnt stand a chance.

You can try and run as a candidate. Even if 99% of the people in your district support your platform, you'll get crushed in the election.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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There appears to be a good deal of dispute about what a "Democrat" actually is these days, with the expectation moving more towards the left seemingly every day.
We could say the same for the Republican party at the moment. It's hard to know what the heck they stand for right now, with Trump at odds with most of the rest of the GOP.

Political parties are fluid entities. They move with the changing culture.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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There appears to be a good deal of dispute about what a "Democrat" actually is these days, with the expectation moving more towards the left seemingly every day.
The party bosses are very clear. A Democrat means obeying Wall Street and the ruling health care industry. If you dont obey, they will try to crush you with unlimited sums of money and dirty tactics.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I like Bernie, but your last line pretty much says it all. He refuses to commit to the Democratic party. Why should the Democratic party hand their nomination over to a candidate who repeatedly claims he's not of their party?

Would the GOP do that?
The GOP already did with Donald Trump. Moreover, Sanders has consistently voted with the Democrats, his "independent" label notwithstanding. The DNC doesn't seem to have learned its lesson from 2016.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Its Wall Street and the donors who decide these things. The whole point is to prevent people who wont obey Wall Street from winning the election as a Democrat. Any New Deal democrat is as much as a threat as someone like Sanders. The donors dont care whether a person is a republican or democrat,
I do not work for Wall Street and im certainly not some mega donor and I wanted this. Stop trying to make everything so foreign.

As another poster said, people on the ground work for years to elect Democrats and then someone like Bernie comes in and destroys their work.

Everything isnt about Wall Street and billionaires.

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as former republicans and Wall Street executives join up as Democrats all the time and get massive financial support from the ruling donor class and party elites.
Any of those people choose to not actually support the Party platform, if so name them, otherwise you are completely overlooking the argument .
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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The GOP already did with Donald Trump. Moreover, Sanders has consistently voted with the Democrats, his "independent" label notwithstanding. The DNC doesn't seem to have learned its lesson from 2016.
Trump declared himself a Republican. Now we all know he's full of ****, and he's no more a Republican than Bernie is, but he did join the party. Something Sanders steadfastly refuses to do, while wanting all the benefits that come with being a member.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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We could say the same for the Republican party at the moment. It's hard to know what the heck they stand for right now, with Trump at odds with most of the rest of the GOP.

Political parties are fluid entities. They move with the changing culture.
Actually, Bernie is almost single-handedly affecting the Democrat party in a manner similar to what the Tea Party movement has had on the Republican party over the last 10 years.

Suffice it to say that the establishment elites of both parties are not liking it.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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I do not work for Wall Street and im certainly not some mega donor and I wanted this. Stop trying to make everything so foreign.

As another poster said, people on the ground work for years to elect Democrats and then someone like Bernie comes in and destroys their work.

Everything isnt about Wall Street and billionaires.



Any of those people choose to not actually support the Party platform, if so name them, otherwise you are completely overlooking the argument .
Yes, you are a right wing democrat, so of course you wanted this. You dont have to work for Wall Street to support the ruling donor class who controls the two parties we have.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:08 PM
 
Location: London
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Hope they enjoy losing again and again then.
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