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Old 07-03-2018, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Both parties need new blood and fresh ideas. And this starts now. I am sick of these old people being elected year after year who are bought by lobbyists
Socialism isn’t a fresh idea .

It seems she’s basically spouting the same stuff as Bernie . So what is the benefit of her being younger ?

Was Bernie bought by lobbyists ? Trump wasn’t because he had his own money . Hillary was .
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:34 AM
 
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Socialism isn’t a fresh idea .

It seems she’s basically spouting the same stuff as Bernie . So what is the benefit of her being younger ?

Was Bernie bought by lobbyists ? Trump wasn’t because he had his own money . Hillary was .
Trump was and is of course bought. He hardly used any of his own money and hired a Goldman Sachs fat cat as his fund raiser. As soon as he was installed as president, big pharma told Trump to back off, and Trump "forgot" all about his rhetoric against big pharma and the insurance industry on the campaign trail.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Trump was and is of course bought. He hardly used any of his own money and hired a Goldman Sachs fat cat as his fund raiser. As soon as he was installed as president, big pharma told Trump to back off, and Trump "forgot" all about his rhetoric against big pharma and the insurance industry on the campaign trail.
Fact is he is and was a lot less indebted to anyone versus Hillary . I don’t remember him focusing so much on phrma and insurance . He’s progressing quickly with his agenda much to the dismay and outrage of the left.

I gusss they are sick and tired of winning . Always so negative . Remember they couldn’t even clap about lowest African American unemployment in history ?
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Fact is he is and was a lot less indebted to anyone versus Hillary . I don’t remember him focusing so much on phrma and insurance . He’s progressing quickly with his agenda much to the dismay and outrage of the left.

I gusss they are sick and tired of winning . Always so negative . Remember they couldn’t even clap about lowest African American unemployment in history ?
That people are working is a good thing. That people work 40 hours and still can not make ends meet is not.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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That people are working is a good thing. That people work 40 hours and still can not make ends meet is not.
Some people also make bad financial decisions . We all make bad decisions at some point.
But there are a ton of people that would be in a better position financially if they decided not to have kids before having a stable career .
Decided to go to college or learn a trade.
Decided not to buy a brand new car when they can’t really afford it but the bank still gave them the loan .
Decided to live in a high cost area because of the weather or the fun stuff one can do .

The individual has more power than they realize
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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Some people also make bad financial decisions . We all make bad decisions at some point.
But there are a ton of people that would be in a better position financially if they decided not to have kids before having a stable career .
There are not enough "stable careers" to go around. Poor people are not buying brand new cars. If everyone became an engineer, those jobs would pay minimum wage.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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There are not enough "stable careers" to go around. Poor people are not buying brand new cars. If everyone became an engineer, those jobs would pay minimum wage.
Yet there are low wage people in the country that make it work and their situation is temporary .
Doesn’t have to be a life sentence . Countless examples of people that have risen from low wage work to high paying jobs or owning their own businesses .

The left which is becoming increasingly socialist wants people to believe they need to rely on government programs . Not too inspiring .
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Yet there are low wage people in the country that make it work and their situation is temporary .
Doesn’t have to be a life sentence . Countless examples of people that have risen from low wage work to high paying jobs or owning their own businesses .
A large number of who are one major illness from losing it.

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The left which is becoming increasingly socialist wants people to believe they need to rely on government programs . Not too inspiring .
Not interested in your boogeymen.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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A large number of who are one major illness from losing it.



Not interested in your boogeymen.

Have you read the history of socialism or looked at the current situation in Venezuela?
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it .


https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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Have you read the history of socialism or looked at the current situation in Venezuela?
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it .


https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails
Boogeymen. Bail outs, tariffs, quantitive easing and such is Socialism.
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