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Old 08-08-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The Dems could very well have won OH-12 without the Pelosi albatross around their necks. Pelosi is still a turnoff to many Republicans and Indies. Getting her out of the way would hurt very little with Dems and might turn a few seats blue.

 
Old 08-08-2018, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Blue tsunami!
 
Old 08-08-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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The district became more Republican in 2012 following redistricting. Obama did win the district (under the old lines) in 2008, the current district went to Romney and Trump by 11. McCain won the district under its current lines by 9 points. This is a Republican district.
Not just "redistributing" but gerrymandering...
 
Old 08-08-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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The Dems could very well have won OH-12 without the Pelosi albatross around their necks. Pelosi is still a turnoff to many Republicans and Indies. Getting her out of the way would hurt very little with Dems and might turn a few seats blue.
Again--there are 8K ballots still not counted
They have to be counted or ruled illegal/ineligible before the results can be certified
At this time there is NO WAY to know how they go--Dem, Green, or GOP---
Calling an election with an 1100 vote separation for the GOP simply because he is leading at this point is betting on the come line in craps

Sometimes it works in your favor, and sometimes it doesn't...
 
Old 08-08-2018, 06:30 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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Of course its a Team Sport -- why do you think they have Political Parties? It's the "Team".
Now - it's true that all teams can have weakness, jealousy or even total self interest, BUT it's also true that no ONE man (or woman) can stand alone with no "team" support and get anything done.

It doesn't matter if a Team has the Greatest Quarterback and Best Stadium in the entire history of the sport ...... if their is no one who can catch/pass/run with the ball - They Lose.

As for Trump - he is a great quarterback and a Team Player ..... why do you think he is doing all these Mid-Term Campaign Rallies .. he needs more people, better people - on his Team.

Why do you think President Trump does weekly roundtables and weekly meetings with CongressCritters and Business Leaders, Spiritual Leaders, Civic Leaders, Law Enforcement Leaders? He wants them on his Team. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, SOS Pompeo, SOD Mattis and tons of CongressCritters say President Trump calls them DAILY. They are on his "team". Doesn't mean that all the members of his team like him, but that's the case with any large team

To win more -- Get more and better people on the Team. That's the Trump Way
.... it's the way of all winners.
All I can say to the above is WOW!
 
Old 08-08-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Of course its a Team Sport -- why do you think they have Political Parties? It's the "Team".
Now - it's true that all teams can have weakness, jealousy or even total self interest, BUT it's also true that no ONE man (or woman) can stand alone with no "team" support and get anything done.

It doesn't matter if a Team has the Greatest Quarterback and Best Stadium in the entire history of the sport ...... if their is no one who can catch/pass/run with the ball - They Lose.

As for Trump - he is a great quarterback and a Team Player ..... why do you think he is doing all these Mid-Term Campaign Rallies .. he needs more people, better people - on his Team.

Why do you think President Trump does weekly roundtables and weekly meetings with CongressCritters and Business Leaders, Spiritual Leaders, Civic Leaders, Law Enforcement Leaders? He wants them on his Team. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, SOS Pompeo, SOD Mattis and tons of CongressCritters say President Trump calls them DAILY. They are on his "team". Doesn't mean that all the members of his team like him, but that's the case with any large team

To win more -- Get more and better people on the Team. That's the Trump Way
.... it's the way of all winners.
If Trump is playing a team sport, he is doing about as well as the 1962 Mets.
 
Old 08-08-2018, 09:17 PM
 
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USA Today story online 4 hrs ago that 533 votes were found NOT logged into the system in county--
I don't know how that happens--that they just miraculously are discovered and were not part of the votes registered
Guess someone thought they wanted a souvinier to take home
The Dem got 166 I think the story said so the majority went to the GOP side
But the idea that there are significant numbers of votes/ballots just floating around out there is a little amazing---
And how they just happened to be "discovered" wasn't mentioned either

Imagine if a bank just found money floating around someplace beside the tellers' cages and the vault---think the manager might think someone was planning to help themselves to it???
 
Old 08-08-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The Dems could very well have won OH-12 without the Pelosi albatross around their necks. Pelosi is still a turnoff to many Republicans and Indies. Getting her out of the way would hurt very little with Dems and might turn a few seats blue.
Yeah, I don't like NP. But to win republicans, you need to convince them your ideology, policies are right. Sadly dems have neither, they're just another capitalist party,
 
Old 08-08-2018, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The Dems could very well have won OH-12 without the Pelosi albatross around their necks. Pelosi is still a turnoff to many Republicans and Indies. Getting her out of the way would hurt very little with Dems and might turn a few seats blue.
I dont Think Pelosi has the votes to continue to be Leader.

as of the beginning of the year, she had 130 votes. Her margin seems huge, but it isnt. she is only about 20 defects away from losing to someone who can solidify the other Democrats behind them, but solidifying everyone else is the problem.

If there is a wave, and you have 40 new Democrats, some will be Blue dogish, some will be middle of the road, some will be liberal, and some will be progressives. hard to see where they will fall.
 
Old 08-08-2018, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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USA Today story online 4 hrs ago that 533 votes were found NOT logged into the system in county--
I don't know how that happens--that they just miraculously are discovered and were not part of the votes registered
Guess someone thought they wanted a souvinier to take home
The Dem got 166 I think the story said so the majority went to the GOP side
But the idea that there are significant numbers of votes/ballots just floating around out there is a little amazing---
And how they just happened to be "discovered" wasn't mentioned either

Imagine if a bank just found money floating around someplace beside the tellers' cages and the vault---think the manager might think someone was planning to help themselves to it???

There are often some fluctuations in numbers between the original reports and the final totals, this happens pretty much every time, just don't here about it in races that aren't very tight. The majority didn't go to the GOP side, the 166 was the net change in the favor of the Democrats
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