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Old 11-08-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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To say that the Democrats won 30 or more seats in the House understates the true total. We must remember that for a year prior to the election there was a huge wave of Republicans quitting or retiring, many of them motivated by fear of losing the election.

The most prominent example is Speaker Ryan. He didn't retire, he LOST -- just like a sports team that doesn't show up to play, a team that forfeits the game. A forfeit is a lost.


Many of the 44 Republicans who gave up their seats should be added to the 30+ seats that the Dems won in the election to get a true picture of the size of the Blue Wave.


There Is a Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress


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Old 11-08-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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That makes no sense. The retiring members made their seats open, which the Dems could win or lose in the election. Those they won are included in the 30+ pickups.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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That makes no sense. The retiring members made their seats open, which the Dems could win or lose in the election. Those they won are included in the 30+ pickups.

A seat is turned over whether it's done by the election or voluntarily by resignation. A seat turned is a seat turned, whether it stays (R) or not. The Democrats' Trump resistance caused a significant upheaval in the House prior to the election.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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A seat is turned over whether it's done by the election or voluntarily by resignation. A seat turned is a seat turned, whether it stays (R) or not. The Democrats' Trump resistance caused a significant upheaval in the House prior to the election.
Again, that makes no sense. You're combining two separate things.

Dems did not win "a lot more" than 30 new seats.

Resignations helped make it possible for them to win that many by allowing them to compete in more open seat contests.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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To say that the Democrats won 30 or more seats in the House understates the true total. We must remember that for a year prior to the election there was a huge wave of Republicans quitting or retiring, many of them motivated by fear of losing the election..............
You sound like Jim Acosta. You have no idea why those people left congress, so you just make something up that supports your view.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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To say that the Democrats won 30 or more seats in the House understates the true total. We must remember that for a year prior to the election there was a huge wave of Republicans quitting or retiring, many of them motivated by fear of losing the election.

The most prominent example is Speaker Ryan. He didn't retire, he LOST -- just like a sports team that doesn't show up to play, a team that forfeits the game. A forfeit is a lost.


Many of the 44 Republicans who gave up their seats should be added to the 30+ seats that the Dems won in the election to get a true picture of the size of the Blue Wave.


There Is a Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress


The total number of gains for the Dems is in the 30s, not 44. If a seat of a Retiring Republican was picked up by the Democrats, that is already included in the total number in the 30s.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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Again, that makes no sense. You're combining two separate things.

Dems did not win "a lot more" than 30 new seats.

Resignations helped make it possible for them to win that many by allowing them to compete in more open seat contests.

Yes I am combining two seperate things -- because they are related. I am _not_ saying the Dems won 77 seats. I am merely saying the Republican House was disrupted and hit by a pre-election wave that motivated many Repubs to leave. The Speaker quit and so did three ranking Repub chairs. That's a lot of disruption that's not factored in the 30+ Dem seat wins.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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To say that the Democrats won 30 or more seats in the House understates the true total. We must remember that for a year prior to the election there was a huge wave of Republicans quitting or retiring, many of them motivated by fear of losing the election.

The most prominent example is Speaker Ryan. He didn't retire, he LOST -- just like a sports team that doesn't show up to play, a team that forfeits the game. A forfeit is a lost.


Many of the 44 Republicans who gave up their seats should be added to the 30+ seats that the Dems won in the election to get a true picture of the size of the Blue Wave.


There Is a Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress


sorry Charlie or I know you are not Charlie it doesn't work that way but you just go right on and live in your make believe world .
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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To say that the Democrats won 30 or more seats in the House understates the true total. We must remember that for a year prior to the election there was a huge wave of Republicans quitting or retiring, many of them motivated by fear of losing the election.

The most prominent example is Speaker Ryan. He didn't retire, he LOST -- just like a sports team that doesn't show up to play, a team that forfeits the game. A forfeit is a lost.


Many of the 44 Republicans who gave up their seats should be added to the 30+ seats that the Dems won in the election to get a true picture of the size of the Blue Wave.


There Is a Wave of Republicans Leaving Congress



and just what are the fascist liberals going to do...anoint the incompetent Pelosi as speaker.... go figure
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Yes I am combining two seperate things -- because they are related. I am _not_ saying the Dems won 77 seats. I am merely saying the Republican House was disrupted and hit by a pre-election wave that motivated many Repubs to leave. The Speaker quit and so did three ranking Repub chairs. That's a lot of disruption that's not factored in the 30+ Dem seat wins.
Of course it's factored in.

The correct way to state it would be that some of those 30-35 seats were won because they were open seats, and they were open seats because of retirements.

The incorrect way to state it would be that Dems won a lot more than those 30 seats as you did in the OP.
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