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If you don't realize how dangerous the Russians are, then you haven't been paying attention. It was at the height of the Cold War that the USSR promised that they would eventually destroy America from within.
They have followed through with that promise or at least they have laid the groundwork. Putin and his intelligence agencies aren't stupid. Russia and China both have cybertroops that are working day and night to destabilize the USA.
Trump is Russia's dream come true, since he is the most divisive President we've ever had. With that being said, they are always in favor of a polarizing figure in the White House which is why Obama was an even greater opportunity for them. They happily poured more fuel on the anti-Obama fire, which undoubtedly helped to put Trump over the edge in the 2016 election.
Whether they actively "colluded" with Trump or his campaign in the end doesn't matter (maybe it matters in a purely legal sense). What matters is that our enemies have learned to leverage our 1st amendments right against us in a completely unprecedented way.
Meddling with our national conversation, and promoting divisions within the USA is a cheap and effective way to change the balance of power in the world. Democracies are fragile, and easily undermined.
Only fools minimize the seriousness of the cyberthreat posed by Russia and China.
What did you say when Obama let the Iranian Islamic terrorists & capture our Navy?
Yet you bleat over Trump not attending a ceremony.
He is the leader of the USA. He is supposed to represent ALL Americans; therefore, honoring the heroes of WWI. What part of this scenario don't you get. He is a deplorable man and a disgrace to most Americans.
You just sound like you are in a fog. Give it a rest.
He is anything but a disgrace!! Do you know him personally? have you worked with him? Well, unless you can answer yes, you have no clue. It probably was time for him to go, just like it is time for M.Waters and Diane F to go, as well as others, but to even indicate Dana is a disgrace is beyond belief regardless of your extreme left leanings. Not liking someone's politics is one thing, calling anyone a name is quite another. Or using an adjective to describe someone for that matter.
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Hillary lost so they had to blame someone. Russia was handy.
They are obviously in bed with China and couldn't point the finger them. They had probably thought that they had done a good enough job in covering up their dirty dealings with Russia that they could point the finger at Russia [their mistake].
He is anything but a disgrace!! Do you know him personally? have you worked with him? Well, unless you can answer yes, you have no clue. It probably was time for him to go, just like it is time for M.Waters and Diane F to go, as well as others, but to even indicate Dana is a disgrace is beyond belief regardless of your extreme left leanings. Not liking someone's politics is one thing, calling anyone a name is quite another. Or using an adjective to describe someone for that matter.
Trump literally uses the word 'disgrace' to describe SO MANY people that he doesn't agree with.
Do you realize how hilarious this is? During the Cold War Democrat leftists openly disdained and opposed those on the Right who did see Russia as the enemy, or at least a dangerous adversary. Only 25 years after communism fell and the Cold War ended, only after Hillary! lost the election do the Democrat Left now find a problem with "Ruhshuh."
Not so.
I was around from the beginning to the end of the cold war, and no one disdained the Russians at all. Everyone in either party saw them as a very dangerous adversary. Both Republican and Democratic Presidents acted accordingly too.
After the cold war ended, a lot of leaders in both parties came to realize that the Soviet threats never disappeared. All that really disappeared were the threats, not the ability to carry them out.
Russia got a free pass for a long time in that. Enough time for Putin to examine all the old Soviet failures and find ways not to repeat them again. One was the belief that military warfare is more effective than psycological warfare.
It turns out the second is more effective than the first, and a hell of a lot cheaper to wage. The loser still loses with no occupation needed to enforce the loss.
The F.B.I. and the senior members of the House Intelligence Committee sat Mr. Rohrabacher down in the Capitol in 2012 to warn him that Russian spies were trying to recruit him, according to two former intelligence officials.
And yet, as investigators in Washington scrutinize the Russian interference campaign, Mr. Rohrabacher, like an extra in a spy thriller, just keeps showing up — if not quite at the scene of the action, then just off camera.
In April 2016, he was in Moscow, accepting a copy of a “confidential” memo containing accusations against prominent Democratic donors that would, months later, reappear in Trump Tower when a Russian lawyer who had reported those allegations to the Russian government, Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, sat down with Donald Trump Jr. to deliver a similar document.
Last August he was in London on a quick diversion from an anniversary trip to the Iberian Peninsula to meet Mr. Assange at the fugitive’s sanctuary in the Ecuadorean Embassy. American intelligence agencies believe Mr. Assange acted as a conduit for Russian operatives seeking to release a trove of hacked Democratic emails. Mr. Assange denies the accusation, and Mr. Rohrabacher hoped to broker a meeting with Mr. Trump to allow him to make his case.
Then earlier this year, this time on Capitol Hill, Mr. Rohrabacher dined with Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of the Russian central bank who has been linked both to Russia’s security services and organized crime. During Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, Mr. Torshin tried to set up a “backdoor” meeting between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin, according to an email that has been turned over to Senate investigators.
Both parties worry about this guy being a russian stooge. Only Trumpeteers and Russian Bots like him.
Rohrabacher's loss is no surprise I grew up on Orange County CA back in the 80's OC was actually strong GOP, but over the years even GOP strong holds in California has moved to DEM. The big push was when Pot became legal lot of liberals moved to California from states where it was illegal. That brought in lot of activist voters people who spend lot of time not working smoking pot, and talking about politics all day. Labor unions have also have gotten more of a foothold over government last 20 years working from Sacramento to push for more labor union involvement raise tax's and red tape which ran business out of state. Last 10 years my friends who still live there told me even OC was now becoming liberal as the last few GOP politicians are voted out of office. I don't buy Russian's having anything to do with Rohrabacher's loss.
Looks like you're lost touch with your hometown. It's not the Orange County of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan anymore, though it's still fairly Republican.
Well, Rohrabacher actually was pro-cannabis. And remember, California passed a law that legalized cannabis use recently. That stance didn't hurt him politically. The reference to labor unions is kind of null - Orange County wasn't and isn't known to be union friendly.
What didn't help ol' Dana was his doubling down on Trump, where many of the affluent, well-educated voters in his district found distasteful. Neither did his hardline stance on immigration (anyone remember Prop 187 back in 1994 - which set the gradual decline of the California GOP), particularly as Orange County's demographics changed (more Latino and Asian - and they're not necessarily wild eyed liberals either). He's also a bit homophobic, which doesn't play well in today's Orange County - where people are pretty much live and let live in terms of lifestyle. The connection with Putin was an additional liability.
And finally, I think Rohrabacher just got too complacent - he hadn't had to deal with significant political opposition in his district for decades. Rouda isn't a wild lefty (in fact he used to be a Republican), but a real estate entrepreneur.
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