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I wonder how many people who voted for McCain in the past decided to vote for Sinema in 2018, believing that she, not McSally, was more in tune with McCain’s politics?
I wonder how many of those hapless Sinema voters voted Democrat because they thought there was substance to all the Russia/impeachment talk that was promoted by the media?
I wonder how many of those hapless Sinema voters voted Democrat because they thought there was substance to all the Russia/impeachment talk that was promoted by the media?
I wonder how many of those hapless Sinema voters voted Democrat because they thought there was substance to all the Russia/impeachment talk that was promoted by the media?
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Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident
Isnt that a worse sign for Trump that she won then ???????
If they voted for a Democrat simply because they hated Trump ?
Isnt that a worse sign for Trump that she won then ???????
If they voted for a Democrat simply because they hated Trump ?
Assuming that they voted for a Democrat because they hated Trump. But my comment (and the comment of the poster I replied to) doesn't suggest or assume that. No, our comments question the impact of the Russia collusion lie on voters' decision to pull the lever for Sinema. If her victory was achieved because voters believed a lie peddled by left wing media and political types over Russia collusion (and we just found out there was no collusion), then that has no bearing on Trump hatred. Of course, I don't know the extent that the Russia collusion lie had on the race, but I think its a fair question to ask.
Assuming that they voted for a Democrat because they hated Trump. But my comment (and the comment of the poster I replied to) doesn't suggest or assume that. No, our comments question the impact of the Russia collusion lie on voters' decision to pull the lever for Sinema. If her victory was achieved because voters believed a lie peddled by left wing media and political types over Russia collusion (and we just found out there was no collusion), then that has no bearing on Trump hatred. Of course, I don't know the extent that the Russia collusion lie had on the race, but I think its a fair question to ask.
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Originally Posted by Listener2307
The point is, they were told to be suspicious of Trump because he had collaborated with the Russians in some way. And that proved to be false.
Im going to ask a simply question of you 2. Do you accept the Mueller Report , yes or no? Obviously this is a trick question, but maybe you 2 will surprise me.
Im going to ask a simply question of you 2. Do you accept the Mueller Report , yes or no? Obviously this is a trick question, but maybe you 2 will surprise me.
I don't accept the legitimacy of the Mueller Report, because it is the result of an investigation that should have never been launched and one that raises serious ethical questions, etc. Just like I wouldn't accept the legitimacy of a report detailing a drug dealing conspiracy if it was predicated on an investigation that was started based on, say, racial profiling. The process was tainted from the jump; that a report formally concludes something that I was advocating all along doesn't make the report any more legitimate.
But Mueller Report or not, my position and the facts don't change. And that is that there is no Russian collusion.
I don't accept the legitimacy of the Mueller Report, because it is the result of an investigation that should have never been launched and one that raises serious ethical questions, etc. Just like I wouldn't accept the legitimacy of a report detailing a drug dealing conspiracy if it was predicated on an investigation that was started based on, say, racial profiling. The process was tainted from the jump; that a report formally concludes something that I was advocating all along doesn't make the report any more legitimate.
But Mueller Report or not, my position and the facts don't change. And that is that there is no Russian collusion.
Exactly, you cant accept the report's end conclusion because it also means accepting everything Mueller did find.
DTJ attempting to meet with Russians, Cohen fixing polling, multiple Russians actually interfering in the election and trying to contact the Trump Campaign,Hacking the DNC and Clinton, Trump knowing this and not reporting it.
The Mueller report is the equivalent of saying " I cant convict you of murder, but you knew where the body was hidden and didnt tell anyone"
Admitting to supporting the finding of the Mueller reports means admitting that Donald Trump is only one step lower on the ladder than we thought.
Exactly, you cant accept the report's end conclusion because it also means accepting everything Mueller did find.
DTJ attempting to meet with Russians, Cohen fixing polling, multiple Russians actually interfering in the election and trying to contact the Trump Campaign,Hacking the DNC and Clinton, Trump knowing this and not reporting it.
The Mueller report is the equivalent of saying " I cant convict you of murder, but you knew where the body was hidden and didnt tell anyone"
Admitting to supporting the finding of the Mueller reports means admitting that Donald Trump is only one step lower on the ladder than we thought.
It means nothing of the sort, though accepting what Mueller did find isn't the destructive thing that you're making it out to be.
But let's take this line by line.
1) DTJ meeting with a Russian lawyer with the goal of getting dirt on Hillary Clinton is neither scandalous nor illegal, especially if you can't show that the DTJ knew that the dirt being offered was unlawfully gained or that DTJ knew that the Russian lawyer was a Russian agent (I haven't seen anything to claim otherwise). Campaigns regularly seek out dirt on the opposition. This is no bombshell. If you're going to use the fact that the lawyer was a foreign national as the scandalous point (those "bad" Russians ), then you should be just as outraged that the Steele dossier was compiled by a foreign national (and former spy at that). Of course, this doesn't get into the fact that it is undisputed that a foreign government (i.e. Ukraine) is on record admitting that it interfered in our election to help Hillary's campaign . . . of course, this was never major news as there is a serious bias in the media.
2) Cohen is a convicted liar. That he engaged in scandalous and illegal behavior doesn't reflect positively on Trump (his client), but Cohen was a licensed attorney who swore an oath to uphold the law and was supposed to know the law. If he engaged in illegal behavior, he deserved to be locked up. But I don't put much stock into his claims that he was acting under the direction of POTUS given his circumstances.
3) The investigation into Russian interference was separate from the investigation into Russian collusion. It is the former that found that Russians actually hacked the DNC servers and spent tens of thousands on social media ads . . . the Mueller investigation didn't uncover this. Dems and their media lapdogs would have been wise to just focus on Russian interference. Instead, they tried to take down a duly elected president with allegations of collusion with the Russian government and now have egg on their faces.
4) Admitting to supporting the finding of the Mueller report means nothing of the sort that you claim. The findings of the Mueller Report show that multiple people engaged in illegal behavior (either illegal behavior years before the campaign or largely for lying about perfectly legal activity). Allegations that Donald J. Trump engaged in illegal or unethical behavior remain just that. Allegations. Just like allegations that Hillary Clinton sold access to the State Department. Contrary to what the Dems and their media lapdogs want things to be, our legal system still operates under the presumption that you are innocent until proven guilty, drive by efforts to convict someone in the court of public opinion be damned.
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Way to go!!!!!
), then you should be just as outraged that the Steele dossier was compiled by a foreign national (and former spy at that). Of course, this doesn't get into the fact that it is undisputed that a foreign government (i.e. Ukraine) is on record admitting that it interfered in our election to help Hillary's campaign . . . of course, this was never major news as there is a serious bias in the media. 
