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Old 11-24-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The dimocrats had the bigger turnout ever and still only managed a totally average swing in House seats and still LOST seats in the Senate. So how'd that LAST election go for you sparky?

Trump - still YOUR president.
It worked out great. Democrats HAD zero control, now they have one of the 2 houses of Congress. More will come in 2 years. The 2 extra Senate seats for the GOP don't change much of anything.

And MUELLER IS COMING and this time the HOUSE INVESTIGATION won't be a GOP whitewash.


Ken
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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The voters are none too happy with Republicans at the moment. It has more to do with Trump who told us to pretend he was on the ballot than on a rejection of conservative values though. There is still hope for the GOP, but things are only going to get worse in the next two years with Trump continuing to rant and deteriorate mentally and the economy cooling or even going into recession before the next election.



Are you delusional? Trump is very popular with Average Americans. The ones who work for what they get, feel disrespected when illegal immigrants come here and take advantage of our system, for always being called racist (Thank Obama for that one.) Bottom line is, the economy is booming. We have a 3% GDP growth, when did we even accomplish that under Obama? Trump is unpopular on The West Coast and Northeast, but popular everywhere else. And The West Coast and Northeast don't decide our elections.
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:49 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Are you delusional? Trump is very popular with Average Americans. The ones who work for what they get, feel disrespected when illegal immigrants come here and take advantage of our system, for always being called racist (Thank Obama for that one.) Bottom line is, the economy is booming. We have a 3% GDP growth, when did we even accomplish that under Obama? Trump is unpopular on The West Coast and Northeast, but popular everywhere else. And The West Coast and Northeast don't decide our elections.
Um, GDP growth rate under Obama hit 5.1% in the 2nd quarter of 2014. It hit 4.9% under Obama in the 3rd quarter of 2014, it hit 4.7% in the 4th quarter of 2011 - all numbers superior to anything that's occurred under Trump. The fact is Obama's GDP numbers hit higher peaks than anything Trump has had. Trump's numbers have been more steady than Obama's (his bounced around a lot more) but Obama hit higher numbers than anything Trump has done.

Why didn't you know that?
FOX News didn't tell you?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gdp-in-the-us/

And NO Trump is NOT very popular - despite what you may have heard on FOX News. He's popular within the GOP - and especially within his base, but outside of that - he's the least popular President we've had in a long time - and that's a CONSISTENT unpopularity. Even Right-leaning Rasmussen rarely has him above 50%. Pretty much all the other polls have him much lower.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

Ken

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Old 11-25-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Um, GDP growth rate under Obama hit 5.1% in the 2nd quarter of 2014. It hit 4.9% under Obama in the 3rd quarter of 2014, it hit 4.7% in the 4th quarter of 2011 - all numbers superior to anything that's occurred under Trump. The fact is Obama's GDP numbers hit higher peaks than anything Trump has had. Trump's numbers have been more steady than Obama's (his bounced around a lot more) but Obama hit higher numbers than anything Trump has done.

Why didn't you know that?
FOX News didn't tell you?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gdp-in-the-us/

And NO Trump is NOT very popular - despite what you may have heard on FOX News. He's popular within the GOP - and especially within his base, but outside of that - he's the least popular President we've had in a long time - and that's a CONSISTENT unpopularity. Even Right-leaning Rasmussen rarely has him above 50%. Pretty much all the other polls have him much lower.

Trump Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports®

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

Ken




I don't watch Fox News, it's biased like the rest. Well, we had a chance to continue Obama's legacy and it was rejected along with Hillary Clinton.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:22 PM
 
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This sure doesn't bode well for the GOP in the NEXT election:

"Midterm elections: Democrats lead popular vote in House by largest margin in history

Democrats are set to pull off the largest midterm elections victory in history, according to a breakdown of the popular vote in races for the House of Representatives.

The party leads the Republicans by more than 8.9 million votes across the US, raw data compiled by the Cook Political Report, an independent, non-partisan political analysis website.

Previously, the largest margin of victory was 8.7 million, which came in the 1974 midterm elections after the Watergate scandal and Richard Nixon’s resignation..."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/midterm-e...102543185.html

Ken
The fact that Dems only won 30+ seats shows you how effective Republican gerrymandering was in 2010.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:35 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The fact that Dems only won 30+ seats shows you how effective Republican gerrymandering was in 2010.
Yeah, they gerrymandered the heck out of the Congressional map. Had they not, their losses would have been much, much more.

Ken
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:38 AM
 
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Here’s some comparative stats.

1. In 2008, John McCain received 45.6% of the popular vote.
2. In 2012, Mitt Romney receiived 47.15%.
3. In 2016, Donald Trump received 45.93%.
4. In 2018, the GOP received 45.1% of the national House vote.

4. In 2008, McCain received just shy of 60 million votes and lost by 9.5 million.
5. In 2012, Romney received just shy of 61 million voted and lost by 5 million.
6. In 2016, Trump received just shy of 63 million and lost the pop vote by 2.9 million.
7. In 2018, the Dems received close to 60 million votes for the House.

The Democrats turned out almost as many voters in House races as the Republicans manage in a Presidential race.

The Republicans are consistently stuck at about 46% of the total vote.

...tick...tick...tick

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Old 11-26-2018, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Here’s some comparative stats.

1. In 2008, John McCain received 45.6% of the popular vote.
2. In 2012, Mitt Romney receiived 47.15%.
3. In 2016, Donald Trump received 45.93%.
4. In 2018, the GOP received 45.1% of the national House vote.

4. In 2008, McCain received just shy of 60 million votes and lost by 9.5 million.
5. In 2012, Romney received just shy of 61 million voted and lost by 5 million.
6. In 2016, Trump received just shy of 63 million and lost the pop vote by 2.9 million.
7. In 2018, the Dems received close to 60 million votes for the House.

The Democrats turned out almost as many voters in House races as the Republicans manage in a Presidential race.

The Republicans are consistently stuck at about 46% of the total vote.

...tick...tick...tick





Question, when has the popular vote ever mattered? Plus, it doesn't really tell the whole story cause a Republican in California may not vote cause California will go blue anyway. Same with a Democrat in Texas. Plus, the illegals voting. So it really doesn't tell the whole story. By the way, if you look at 2008 and 2012, Obama's votes dropped significantly.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Question, when has the popular vote ever mattered? Plus, it doesn't really tell the whole story cause a Republican in California may not vote cause California will go blue anyway. Same with a Democrat in Texas. Plus, the illegals voting. So it really doesn't tell the whole story. By the way, if you look at 2008 and 2012, Obama's votes dropped significantly.
It matters because it’s a leading indicator of demographic change. The states where the GOP are losing ground are those that are more diverse, where the white population is more likely to be college graduates and “new economy” states. The states where the R’s dominate are those with high concentrations of older, white, non-college voters where agriculture, mineral extraction and traditional manufacturing still dominate. One America is growing; the other is not.

We don’t have 50 separate isolated kingdoms. People can and do move from one state to another for job opportunities and tend to take their politics with them. Even the Republicans leaving California tend to be more moderate than the Republicans of the new states they move to.

After the 2012 election, the GOP establishment recommended support for a path to citizenship for illegal aliens as a means to increase R support among Hispanics. Instead, the R base went in the exact opposite direction by doubling down on immigration enforcement by nominating Donald Trump. It was a successful short term strategy suitable for a 70 year old nominee, but it’s a long term disaster for a political party. Unless the Republican Party is able to significantly increase its support among minorities and improve its support among white college graduates, which is difficult to even contemplate as long as they continue catering to whites who think they are being discriminated against, the eventual outcome is certain. The only variable is time. White resentment politics has very limited appeal.

Attached is a link to a study of the likely political effects of demographic change. Even under the Republican favoring scenarios, the long-term trends are clear.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/library...ump-coalition/

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Old 11-26-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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This sure doesn't bode well for the GOP in the NEXT election:

"Midterm elections: Democrats lead popular vote in House by largest margin in history

Democrats are set to pull off the largest midterm elections victory in history, according to a breakdown of the popular vote in races for the House of Representatives.

The party leads the Republicans by more than 8.9 million votes across the US, raw data compiled by the Cook Political Report, an independent, non-partisan political analysis website.

Previously, the largest margin of victory was 8.7 million, which came in the 1974 midterm elections after the Watergate scandal and Richard Nixon’s resignation..."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/midterm-e...102543185.html

Ken

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