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I supported Bernie and would LOVE to see Tulsi Gabbard run.
Gabbard comes across as moderate and sane. On the surface she looks like a good candidate.
But she quit the DNC to go with Bernie's effort and that will forever prevent her from being elected in anything but the most extreme of contests.
Gabbard comes across as moderate and sane. On the surface she looks like a good candidate.
But she quit the DNC to go with Bernie's effort and that will forever prevent her from being elected in anything but the most extreme of contests.
The (D)'s can go with someone from the Corporate wing again if they like. Or they could decide they would like to win.
The (D)'s can go with someone from the Corporate wing again if they like. Or they could decide they would like to win.
Lets have an honest discussion. Why do you believe this ?
While I support the idea of Brand New Congress, and while I like some of the Justice Democrats that were candidates, none of them won in the general , in fact the races werent even close.
Lets break it down.
The DCCC had a total of 96 targets(including the 4 in Minnisota)
They won 41 Republican held seats and lost 2 Democratic held seats. so net gain of 39 , so we are talking a 40% success rate in All swing districts.
Many of those districts being suburban and ex urban
the BNC/JD
7 General election wins (all in Heavily democratic districts winning with 75% or more of the vote) Only 2 beat incumbents, 3 were incumbents, Ro Khanna also being beating an incumbent 2 years ago, so you can count him as well.
25 Primary winners
69 General election candidates.
So thats a 10% success rate in heavily favored districts.
Why do you think nominating a Liberal or a moderate would be a bad thing and nominating a progressive would be good.
All the evidence states that a liberal or moderate have the most potential voters
Also, please name some prominent Democrats who are not progressives, that you believe are "good candidates" or at least principles and not controlled by corporations.
Lets have an honest discussion. Why do you believe this ?
Because there is a growing number of us that will not vote for one.
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While I support the idea of Brand New Congress, and while I like some of the Justice Democrats that were candidates, none of them won in the general , in fact the races werent even close.
I'm not claiming that the person we vote for will win if it's not the (D) candidate. They likely wont. If the (D)'s pick someone not in the Corporate wing of the party and you want to vote for Trump, so be it.
Because there is a growing number of us that will not vote for one.
It seems like the number of people who wont vote for a Democratic socialist is larger than the people who wont vote for a centrist or a true blue liberal capitalist.
Do you disagree
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I'm not claiming that the person we vote for will win if it's not the (D) candidate. They likely wont. If the (D)'s pick someone not in the Corporate wing of the party and you want to vote for Trump, so be it.
Again, can you name a non corporate Democrat who isnt a Progressive or is this just "I dont like you so you must be evil" ?
Also, please dont use the flawed logic in the bold, it goes both ways when you use it that way.
It seems like the number of people who wont vote for a Democratic socialist is larger than the people who wont vote for a centrist or a true blue liberal capitalist.
Do you disagree
Perhaps. Someday it will register that Sanders would have beat Trump. What you say is only true in the primary.
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Again, can you name a non corporate Democrat who isnt a Progressive or is this just "I dont like you so you must be evil" ?
Also, please dont use the flawed logic in the bold, it goes both ways when you use it that way.
I'm not voting for someone who tries and prove their worth by siding with people being able to pee where they want to excuse their war mongering.
ie: Hillary. Obama didn't even go that far. He simply lied about his beliefs.
Perhaps. Someday it will register that Sanders would have beat Trump. What you say is only true in the primary.
You have a right to that opinion, but it is just that. an opinion. I believe the opposite, and that seems to continue to be backed up by congressional races where the progressives compared to previous Democrats ,under perform in the general election.
Nebraska 2 is a good example of that. Kara Eastman's margin of Defeat is the worst for a Democrat since 2010
Her district was one of the few (118 out of 435) that actually went more republican.
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I'm not voting for someone who tries and prove their worth by siding with people being able to pee where they want to excuse their war mongering.
ie: Hillary. Obama didn't even go that far. He simply lied about his beliefs.
Ugh, im not even looking for an ideological argument here, i am seriously just trying ask if there is anyone out there that you dont see as a corporate democrat who is outside of the Bernie wing.
Its a yes or no answer, and if its yes, im simply asking for you to name some of these people.
You have a right to that opinion, but it is just that. an opinion. I believe the opposite, and that seems to continue to be backed up by congressional races where the progressives compared to previous Democrats ,under perform in the general election.
Nebraska 2 is a good example of that. Kara Eastman's margin of Defeat is the worst for a Democrat since 2010
Her district was one of the few (118 out of 435) that actually went more republican.
State election work differently than Presidential elections.
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Ugh, im not even looking for an ideological argument here, i am seriously just trying ask if there is anyone out there that you dont see as a corporate democrat who is outside of the Bernie wing.
Its a yes or no answer, and if its yes, im simply asking for you to name some of these people.
Researching every possible candidate isn't something I care to take the time to do. As I've noted I like Tulsi Gabbard. Is the fact she backed Bernie make her part of the Bernie wing (even though it was never actually about Bernie). Or does it simply make her right?
Funny how libs keep talking about how Trump might get primaried or something but ignore the extremely bloody promerybthey are going to have
That's funny, majority of Democrats don't like Bernie Sanders.
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