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Old 12-29-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Turned out well didn't it?
What do you mean turned out well ? Again, the repeal had already passed with the House and senate, reconciliation was all that was left.


The argument I responded to was that Biden Support the repeal, he didnt.
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Old 12-29-2018, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Baloney. Even high school was not free in the old days. It cost to go to high school a hundred years ago. The oldest child was paid for, but after that, the family couldn’t afford to send the rest.

Give me a link for free college tuition in the US FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS! Never heard of that!
1. I meant in the world.

2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist..._United_States

“State colleges and universities had depended largely on grants from the legislature, ignoring fund-raising, philanthropy. They kept tuition close to zero“

Free College TUITION.
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Old 12-29-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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What do you mean turned out well ? Again, the repeal had already passed with the House and senate, reconciliation was all that was left.


The argument I responded to was that Biden Support the repeal, he didnt.
Biden voted for the bill that repealed Glass Steagall. That is the fact you don’t want to accept.
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Biden voted for the bill that repealed Glass Steagall. That is the fact you don’t want to accept.

No he didnt. I literally gave you a link to the repeal voting record.

Im asking an honest question, Do you not understand how Joint Conference committees works ?

You dont like Biden, I get that, but you should be able to have an honest conversation about him.
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:47 PM
 
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Enough yourself.

Student debt and for profit healthcare is rising our debt and costing our country more. You don’t want to look at the facts because far right beliefs are ingrained in Main Stream ideology.
Huh! Me! far right Have you read any of my posts? I’m a registered independent, middle of the road type, fiscally conservative, though and worried about the future of our country under Trump because he’s spending so much of the US money on tax cuts for the rich and corporate tax cuts, as well as the costly deployment of unnecessary troops at the border.

I was in eastern Canada this fall and heard their citizens complain about how high their taxes are. Canadians have virtually free healthcare. So, you see, the payment for healthcare has to come from somewhere.
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Huh! Me! far right Have you read any of my posts? I’m a registered independent, middle of the road type, fiscally conservative, though and worried about the future of our country under Trump because he’s spending so much of the US money on tax cuts for the rich and corporate tax cuts, as well as the costly deployment of unnecessary troops at the border.

I was in eastern Canada this fall and heard their citizens complain about how high their taxes are. Canadians have virtually free healthcare. So, you see, the payment for healthcare has to come from somewhere.
The center in the US is far right by my standards.

And Canadians pay taxes on a lot of things, correlation does not prove causation.

They spend LESS per capita on their healthcare.

If you were fiscally responsible you’d support eliminating student debt and non-profit healthcare to LOWER costs as they are costing in excess right now.
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:14 AM
 
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GM paid that loan back in full, plus Obama saved the auto industry and thousands of jobs with that loan. Many student loans are in arrears. Why?
I have my doubts that you really are as ignorant of the GM debacle as you let on. I have to believe many post here just to increase post counts.

In the end, taxpayers lost $10.2 billion.

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-indu...rysler-3305670

That doesn't address the fact that Sanders program was not Free College which I imagine you know also.

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Free medical care would be wonderful, but we need to pay down the National Debt before we start any more social programs. My children and grandchildren will be saddled with this enormous debt. Trump’s tax break for corporations lost $92 billion in taxes that would have been paid into the treasury. Enough, already.
You pay for people to go to the emergency room and not pay for it anyway. Even at that, it would not be free. But again......
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:16 AM
 
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What do you mean turned out well ? Again, the repeal had already passed with the House and senate, reconciliation was all that was left.


The argument I responded to was that Biden Support the repeal, he didnt.
The right vote was Nay.
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Old 12-30-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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It didn't matter how you labeled Hillary. She didn't lose over that. She lost because she was widely disliked regardless. One side disliked her for promoting open restrooms and the other side disliked her war mongering and selling out to Wall Street.
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She lost because of this bizarre thing called the Electoral College.
The 'bizarre thing' is in the Constitution, which probably would not have been ratified without it. It was demanded by the smaller colonies, who feared being run roughshod over by the large population colonies (VA in particular). In retrospect they were exactly right to think that.

But pknopp is correct. I think even her supporters admitted she had a 'relatability problem.' The three other biggest factors IMO:

1) immigration, which was why Trump got so much support from ex-Dems in rust belt states.
2) the handling of Bernie. I saw one poll that said 1 in 10 Trump voters supported socialism; those were probably Bernie voters.
3) gun control, which she should have been smarter about after 1994 when Bill lost the House, 2000 when Gore lost TN and AR, and thus the election, and 2004 when Kerry lost. I had a good friend who is a lifelong Republican. He was all set to vote for Hillary, whom he saw as centrist. Then she went on a gun control tirade, and my friend wound up voting for McMullin.
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Old 12-30-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Funny how libs keep talking about how Trump might get primaried or something but ignore the extremely bloody promerybthey are going to have
What's the big deal? No one is obligated to like everyone in one's party.
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