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Old 08-29-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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Trump will grind that old, fake Indian Warren like hamburger....
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Can Democrats make lemons into lemonade?

Unable to prevent embracing the left, Democrats will seek to revise America’s perception of it. This lemons-into-lemonade course is the Democratic Party’s only alternative, as a 2020 nominee from their left appears increasingly certain. Next year, the party will essentially challenge the nation: Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

The preponderance of Democratic 2020 field is on the left; already it is collectively attracting the preponderance of Democratic supporters. The field’s fragmentation and the base’s enthusiasm will ensure a competitive and spirited contest that will push the eventual nominee still further left. Even before this process really begins, the contest has started more to the left than any Democrat nominee has ever finished.

The extreme to which their nominee is most likely to go will foreclose their usual approach of claiming to be centrists but governing to the left. Obama mastered this strategy. America’s most liberal president, he assiduously avoided campaigning as one. Instead, he cast his Republican opponents as off-center, hard conservatives — despite neither being so.

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Old 08-29-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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Can't wait to see just how far Left these imbeciles can go by election time.
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Old 08-30-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Can't wait to see just how far Left these imbeciles can go by election time.
They will only go left until one of them gets the nomination. Then whoever it is will pivot to center.
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Speaking as a formerly persuaded Democrat, I feel that the Dems have really put themselves in a box this presidential cycle.

1) frontrunner Biden is obviously stumbling out of the gate, and has corruption issues that will have to be faced eventually. With all the attention of late on China, Biden and his son Hunter's sweetheart deals from the Chinese constitute a ticking time bomb for his campaign.

2)Warren might be the best bet right now, and I have been a fan of hers at times. But her 'fake Indian' fiasco makes it hard for her to navigate all-important ID politics in the primaries:
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...h-black-voters

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[polling showed]Warren receiving 8 percent among black voters...

A separate poll by the Pew Research Center found that while former Vice President Joe Biden received 29 percent of support among African Americans, only 4 percent were throwing their support behind Warren.
Plus Warren has staked out far left positions such as her 'wealth tax' and the abolition of private health insurance.

3)It's still a center-right country. If you add governorships, state legislative bodies, and national entities (WH, house, senate), the GOP still controls about 63% of political turf. It was about 66% prior to 2018. Americans are not going to elect a Bernie Sanders, a self-described 'democratic socialist.'
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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They will only go left until one of them gets the nomination. Then whoever it is will pivot to center.
How do you 'pivot to center' after endorsing democratic socialism, abolition of private health insurance, and de-criminalization of border crossings?
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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They will only go left until one of them gets the nomination. Then whoever it is will pivot to center.
It would be a real treat to watch Bernie Sanders try to pivot towards the center.
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Americans are not going to elect a Bernie Sanders, a self-described 'democratic socialist.'
Americans are sick of the current out of control POTUS pure and simple.

Anything is possible.
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Americans are sick of the current out of control POTUS pure and simple.

Anything is possible.
Point taken--if Trump could win, all bets are off. But remember that Hillary Clinton was actually a pretty good candidate, with a stellar resume, and outspent Trump something like 2-1. And she couldn't beat Trump. The Dems don't have any candidate nearly that good this time around. Perhaps Harris, but she seems to have fallen well behind the lead pack. And like Warren, she has an ID politics problem due to her past as a prosecutor.
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Old 08-30-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Point taken--if Trump could win, all bets are off. But remember that Hillary Clinton was actually a pretty good candidate, with a stellar resume, and outspent Trump something like 2-1. And she couldn't beat Trump. The Dems don't have any candidate nearly that good this time around. Perhaps Harris, but she seems to have fallen well behind the lead pack. And like Warren, she has an ID politics problem due to her past as a prosecutor.
Clinton had a good qualifying record to be POTUS on paper, but she was also deeply unpopular with many people just like Trump.

If Ds want to win, they should not nominate another deeply unpopular candidate.
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