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Old 02-02-2020, 03:00 PM
 
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Staywarm, this is superdelegate reversal talk is NOT directly related to Trump. Not sure why you respond about Trump when it's between Bernie (the progressive) vs. the Establishment within the Democrat Party.

If they did move forward with this reversal, they'd rather have the party suffer than go with the will of the voters.
Sorry about that.

So according to the Politico article, only about a half dozen members of the DNC Executive Committee are having conversations regarding a policy reversal to ensure that super delegates will be able to vote on the first ballot at the national convention, instead of having to wait until the second vote.

I personally am interested in the Democratic Party changing their rules so that only Democrats can run in their elections. There would have to be some type of rule that insisted that a would-be candidate be a valid Democrat at least 2-5 years or so before they could run in the Dem primary.

If that were the case, this situation would not have arisen in 2016 or today.
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Old 02-03-2020, 09:11 AM
 
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Latest Iowa PollsThe Iowa Caucuses are today and the latest two polls are almost spot on in agreement. Now we wait for the results.
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Old 02-03-2020, 03:14 PM
 
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Chris Matthews shares his feelings about the Iowa caucuses today on Morning Joe.

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/statu...34092457709568

Chris does not appear to be feeling all tingly this time around.
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Old 02-04-2020, 10:19 AM
 
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Old 02-04-2020, 11:01 AM
 
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Politico, an establishment Democrat left leaning publication if ever there was on, assesses the Iowa Caucuses as a "Total Meltdown"

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'It’s a total meltdown': Confusion grips Iowa with no official results in sight

A technical meltdown in Iowa Monday night set off bedlam in the critical first contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, triggering competing claims of victory and stoking doubts about the legitimacy of the eventual outcome.

No results had been reported by midnight Eastern, and the Iowa Democratic Party said on Tuesday morning that it planned to release caucus results “as soon as possible today,†while also emphasizing that its ultimate goal is to ensure the “integrity and accuracy of the process.â€

“They are matching the paper worksheets by hand,†an adviser to one of the top tier campaigns said. The party said only 35 percent of the results were in and none of it was yet verified. “They literally have no verified results right now so we won’t know anything until sometime Tuesday.â€

“We have no sense when results might come in," said Anita Dunn, a senior adviser to Biden. "We are, as other campaigns are, very concerned with what they might release: the alignment numbers are not adding up."

“It’s a total meltdown,†she added.

Tempers also flared during a second call between Iowa Democratic Party Chair Troy Price and the campaigns early Tuesday morning. Biden chief counsel Dana Remus repeatedly insisted that the campaigns be allowed into the “auditing process to give us confidence so we can then be your advocates in restoring confidence.â€
This is not as hard as they are making it and if they had just developed a system to match the worksheets by hand from the start, this all would have been done in a timely manner. For decades all of these states managed these sorts of caucuses by manually matching paper worksheets and tally lists. It is a perfectly good way to manage an election of this sort.

Let this be a lesson to everyone who is not an irretrievable dimwit. Just because you use an "App" (a software program intended to achieve a specific productive purpose) to manage information, that does not mean that the information is correct or better than what you can produce with a Big Chief tablet and a #2 pencil.

A better way to manage this would have been something like this:
  1. Perform all of the precinct counts locally and post the results on a whiteboard or a PowerPoint slide for all to see.
  2. Record the more detailed data on spreadsheets and Word documents and email these to the DNC headquarters in Des Moines and to whoever else it is determined should have a copy.
  3. Have one person at the headquarters combine the summary information onto a master spreadsheet and add all the votes and delegates together from the precincts like that.
  4. Confirm these numbers by affirmation of witnesses, perhaps by sworn affidavits signed locally and sent in separately, by email, fax, carrier pigion, or whatever.
  5. Re-confirm verbally by phone with as many people as deemed necessary
  6. When everything is determined to be correct, report these results out to the news media and let them broadcast the results in tabular form on television.
  7. Distribute the results periodically in report form, by email, printed copy, or whatever is deemed appropriate, at appropriate intervals along the way.
Or something like that.


No specially designed "App" required. Easy, peasy. Of course everyone wants to watch closely to make sure nobody is trying to cheat or nobody is just flat getting it wrong. But this really is not that complicated.
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Old 02-04-2020, 11:11 AM
 
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The New Hampshire primary is next Tuesday. If the polls are any indication, it could be a blowout win for Bernie Sanders.

Latest New Hampshire Polls
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Old 02-05-2020, 05:25 AM
 
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Is it a coincidence that the cu(k that invented the app for this Iowa farce is married to a Buttigieg staffer?


I wonder if he had even more nefarious motives than that - perhaps his motives with his app was to completely make the "too white" Iowa look like idiots, and forever take away the first caucus from them?


Nothing would surprise me anymore, when it comes to the liars, thieves and cheats of the neoliberal wackos.
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Old 02-06-2020, 03:52 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders takes the lead in the RCP "betting odds" average - by 16.7 points.

Over Michael Bloomberg, who has now climbed into second place ahead of Joe Biden. Wow.

RCP "betting odds" average
37.8 - Sanders
21.1 - Bloomberg
18.3 - Biden
16.4 - Buttigieg
07.5 - Warren
04.7 - Clinton (Hillary)

Bernie leading in these odds by 16 points and Bloomberg is second. Who would have believed this even two weeks ago?
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:57 PM
 
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Is it a coincidence that the cu(k that invented the app for this Iowa farce is married to a Buttigieg staffer?


I wonder if he had even more nefarious motives than that - perhaps his motives with his app was to completely make the "too white" Iowa look like idiots, and forever take away the first caucus from them?


Nothing would surprise me anymore, when it comes to the liars, thieves and cheats of the neoliberal wackos.
Back at you--the same for DJT supporters--liars, thieves and cheats for the Orange Wacko.[/quote]
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:00 PM
 
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Back at you--the same for DJT supporters--liars, thieves and cheats for the Orange Wacko.
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Lol... lions, tigers and bears.... oh my.
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