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Old 02-18-2020, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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OK fair enough--the practice of stuffing words in the mouths of others is a pet peeve of mine, and I should have known better.

Just duly noted that you posted the accusation:


I asked for simple evidence from the primary source, the (so-called) transcript of the July 25 call. In particular, evidence not based on inference or supposition. You were unable or unwilling to supply that.

Because, "shut up", he explained.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:28 PM
 
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Biden is sinking but it ain't over yet. He is ahead of Warren, Mayor Pete and Klobuchar in almost every state up to vote. Good observation here.

Don’t bet against Joe Biden just yet. He has an ace up his sleeve.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...mments-wrapper
No, it is over. Biden is done.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:04 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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In other words, you can't recite even one simple bit of evidence showing intent from the (so-called) transcript. The case for impeachment all along was dependent on inference and supposition.

In any normal circumstance, such as a criminal trial or union discharge hearing, that would get you laughed out of the room.
Or dismissed without evidence being taken. See, e.g. FRCP 12(b)(6), NYCPLR 3211(a)(1) and (7). FRCP 12(b)(6) reads:
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(b) How to Present Defenses. Every defense to a claim for relief in any pleading must be asserted in the responsive pleading if one is required. But a party may assert the following defenses by motion: (6) failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted;
New York Civil Practice Law and Rules 3211(a)(7) states:
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A party may move for judgment dismissing one or more causes of action asserted against him on the ground that: 7. the pleading fails to state a cause of action
Almost all states probably have similar rules. They are necessary to weed out totally unfounded, bogus or incoherent claims.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:08 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I have tried to tell Democrats for years: this id politics stuff will come back to bite. They don't seem to listen.
Even though I'm a radical leftist, an activist in Decolonize This Place, and Democrat I tend to agree.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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Nate Silver at 538 has been analyzing Bernie's chances and thinks that not only can he can win the nomination, he is currently the person most likely to win the nomination for the Democrats. His article is long and awkwardly wonky, as is normal for Nate Silver, so I will just post a few paragraphs. There is quite a bit more at the link:

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Does Sanders Have A Ceiling? Maybe. Can He Win Anyway? Yes.

Over the course of building our primary model late last year, I grew less skeptical of Sanders’s chances. In fact, our model is now quite bullish on Sanders, having him as by far the most likely Democrat to win a majority of pledged delegates — although the most likely scenario is that no one wins a majority (meaning a contested convention is possible).

Sanders could easily win a one-on-one race. Finally, suppose that we do wind up with a two-candidate race fairly soon; Biden loses South Carolina, for instance, and quits the race, and the large majority of delegates on Super Tuesday go to either Sanders or Bloomberg.

This seems to be the outcome that a lot of moderates I talk to are rooting for, but it could also fairly easily lead to a Sanders nomination. If Sanders’s main opponent was Bloomberg, for instance, he’d play perfectly into Sanders’s messaging about the corrosive influence of money on the democratic process. Bloomberg also has a lot of baggage that has been somewhat unscrutinized because of his late entry into the race. Against Buttigieg or Klobuchar, meanwhile, Sanders would probably have the more diverse coalition, and he’d also have an organizational advantage against someone like Klobuchar, who is only now starting to raise serious money.

I don’t know who would be favored in a head-to-head matchup between Sanders and another Democratic candidate, especially a resilient Biden, or if it somehow came down to Sanders and Warren. (As the YouGov polling shows, these are potentially tougher matchups for Sanders.) But the bottom line is this: Even if Sanders is far from the textbook nominee — and even if he’s likely to have some trouble winning new voters to his side — all of the other candidates have a lot of problems too. Sanders is in the strongest position for now, and he has a high floor of support that should win him delegates almost everywhere, while the rest of the field is a mess behind him. Ceiling or not, that’s why you’d rather be in his position than anyone else’s.
It appears that Silver and many other analysts on the Democrat side believe that Bloomberg is the one most likely to come out of the second tier scrum successfully and end up as the other candidate to match up against Sanders in the latter stages of this primary contest. But he thinks Bloomberg is weak against Sanders and that Sanders could, especially against Bloomberg, come out of that contest as the nominee.

All that being said, he appear to believe that is what is more likely than a straight up majority of delegates for Sanders going into the convention, is Sanders leading with a plurality, and the convention being contested.

If the Democrat establishment elite superdelegates take this away from Sanders at the convention, his supporters are not going to respond well to that. As Silver explains at some length in the article above, Sanders supporters are nothing if not loyal. And how loyal will Bernie be in that situation?

Anyway, first things first. The debate tonight and then the Nevada caucuses on Saturday.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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Best primary season evah.


I love it when (D)'s eat each other.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:50 AM
 
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And today, election day in New Hampshire, Sanders has taken a solid lead in the National RCP Poll Average. In brackets are the changes from last Monday, the day of the Iowa caucuses.

RCP Poll Average - National
23.8 - Sanders (+0.7)
19.8 - Biden (-7.8)
14.0 - Warren (-0.6)
13.0 - Bloomberg (+4.0)
10.8 - Buttigieg (+4.4)
04.8 - Klobuchar (+0.7)

Bernie Sanders is now the frontrunner for the Democrats to win their party's presidential nomination. Joe Biden appears to be in a near freefall in these polls. If he takes another hit today like the one he took in Iowa, then hopefully somebody will step in and call for an eight-count.

After the top six listed above, Yang has 3.3 and nobody else is over 2%. It would be helpful if all of these people dropped out of the race tomorrow once the primary results are in.
The latest National RCP Poll Average has Bernie Sanders up by 11 over Joe Biden. All of the polls contributing to this average were conducted within the last week, after the New Hampshire Primary.

RCP Poll Average - National
28.6 - Sanders (+4.8)
17.6 - Biden (-2.2)
15.9 - Bloomberg (+2.9)
12.3 - Warren (-1.7)
10.3 - Buttigieg (+0.5)
06.6 - Klobuchar (+1.8)

Sanders, Bloomberg and Klobuchar are all up from last week. Biden, Warren and Buttigieg are all down. The biggest gainer over the last two iterations has been Bloomberg (+6.9), followed by Sanders (+5.5). The biggest loser has been Biden (-10.0), followed by Warren (-2.3). Bloomberg has also leapfrogged Warren into 3rd place in these latest polls.

This does seem to bode well for a possible face off between Bloomberg and Sanders at some point after Super Tuesday. Both of these two guys look like they have some real momentum in this race.
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Old 02-19-2020, 10:17 AM
 
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The big question. From Scott Jennings at USA Today:
Democrats' Bernie Sanders problem: They are damned if they nominate him and damned if they don't

What’s worse: choosing a socialist for your party’s presidential nominee, or taking the nomination away from one at a contested convention?

If Sanders gets close but falls short, all hell could break loose. After the first ballot, the Democratic “superdelegates” (establishment party leaders and elected officials) get involved and could turn the convention toward a more establishment-friendly candidate.

Can you imagine the absolute pandemonium if Sanders shows up in Milwaukee with the most delegates and leaves without his party’s nomination? All immediate chaos aside, a key political question emerges: Will Sanders supporters show up in November to support a Democrat who, in their eyes, stole the nomination?
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Best primary season evah.


I love it when (D)'s eat each other.
Reminds me of the commercial where the raccoons are eating garbage and one raccoon turns to another and says... "this tastes horrible, you gotta try it, tastes like mango chutney and burnt hair".

Democrat version of soylent green... lol. The only reality TV worth watching.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Of course it's too soon to tell, but it is looking to me like a race between Bernie and Bloomberg. I still don't see a 37-yr-old small town mayor getting the nomination, even if he speaks Norwegian.

So we've got a 78 year old avowed socialist who never had a real job until age 40. And a 78 year old multi-billionaire who, as pundit Hugh Hewitt says, is a "Republican who doesn't like guns and Pepsi."
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