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Old 05-06-2019, 10:11 PM
 
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If neoliberals want 4 more years of Trump, I guess they will.
Biden leading sinches my vote for Trump. I was just waiting to see if Bernie had a chance and I would have picked him. Oh well, at least the economy is doing pretty good. You can't get everything you want. There's really no way in hell I'd vote for another Obamacare mandate.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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If neoliberals want 4 more years of Trump, I guess they will.
Scared of Joe Biden, aren’t you?
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Old 05-07-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Here is the RCP poll average so far, which is not much different:

38.3 - Biden
16.0 - Sanders
07.8 - Warren
07.2 - Buttigieg
07.2 - Harris
04.3 - O'Rourke
02.5 - Booker
01.3 - Klobuchar

At least in this there is one other candidate who is registering over 15% and therefore high enough to earn delegates. So that is something in any case.

But in every poll since Biden announced, he is beating the rest of the field like a bunch of red-headed stepchildren. I am surprised. I thought Biden would be the frontrunner, but by 22 points. And with most of the rest of the field - aside from Bernie Sanders - looking just plain anemic.

Are you guys your to rubber stamp the preferred candidate of the Democrat establishment globalist elite, yet again?
As evidenced by Hillary stealing the nomination from Bernie, the voters aren't really the ones choosing, are they?
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Old 05-07-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Morning Consult poll, published today:

Biden 40, Sanders 19, Warren 8, Harris 7, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 5

So if these polls are wrong, they are all wrong at about the same levels and margins. This one shows Biden in the lead by 21%.

Wow.
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Old 05-07-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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The candidates with 5-10% support appear to at least temporarily plateaued. Either they change tactics, the front runners make mistakes or poll opinion givers / voters change their perspectives and maybe behavior. The shift from who you like best to who you actually vote for may not happen to much closer to the end. That probably still favors the front runners unless there is one of the second tier (or currently below) that shows enough performance promise or momentum to challenge the leaders and, to do so, pull from the others.
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Old 05-07-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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The candidates with 5-10% support appear to at least temporarily plateaued. Either they change tactics, the front runners make mistakes or poll opinion givers / voters change their perspectives and maybe behavior. The shift from who you like best to who you actually vote for may not happen to much closer to the end. That probably still favors the front runners unless there is one of the second tier (or currently below) that shows enough performance promise or momentum to challenge the leaders and, to do so, pull from the others.
Or someone else gets into the race. {Cough.....Hillary....cough}.
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:04 PM
 
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I am watching. There are some signs of consideration. Part of the reason I am looking at female Governors to perhaps give a different alternative before that alternative.


There is a difference between trying to change your legacy and possibly running again but it can be a bit hard to tell which is which.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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These candidates really need to be able to win their home state primary if they are to have any real hope of being a challenger with a chance to win their party nomination. Usually they are able to do that, but when one looks like they are not going to be able to do that, that is not a good look.

So today California Senator Diane Feinstein is spurning her fellow California Senator Kamala Harris (who is both a woman and dark skinned) in favor of Joe Biden (who in leftist terms is very old, melanin challenged, and afflicted with toxic masculinity).

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Feinstein breaks home-state endorsement rule to spurn Kamala Harris and back Biden: 'I feel very loyal to him'

Almost all the senators in the 2020 Democratic presidential field enjoy the support of their fellow home state Democratic senators, but California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., broke that mold with her endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden over her fellow Californian, Sen. Kamala Harris.

Feinstein told the Washington Examiner Tuesday that she feels more loyal to Biden than Harris.

“I’ve known Joe Biden for 20 years. When he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he made me the first woman. We have a longstanding relationship that dates way back. I love Kamala, I appreciate her, but she has known about this for some time. But that’s what I’m going to do. I feel very loyal to him," Feinstein said.
That Feinstein is not being moved by Kamala Harris very strong identity politics credentials is sure to invite criticism against her from some of her fellow leftists. It also establishes the precedent for others to ignore these criteria as well.

It is hard to imagine there not being a candidate from the SJW/"Political correctness"/"Identity politics" wing of the party. But Booker is a clown and he cannot carry this mantle.

What is interesting is how Joe Biden has opened his campaign going hard and heavy with the race card and the divisive and incendiary racial invective. If he can somehow carve out a large chunk of support from this group that votes this way, then he may be all but assured of winning the nomination.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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Why are you, a Right Winger, making these comments? Trying to create dissension?
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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Morning Consult poll, published today:

Biden 40, Sanders 19, Warren 8, Harris 7, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 5

So if these polls are wrong, they are all wrong at about the same levels and margins. This one shows Biden in the lead by 21%.

Wow.
I know that some of these polls that have showed Biden far ahead of Bernie have had a very flawed methodology (low sample size, very dodgy biased demographics (ages 50+ at the expense of 30 & under). They egregiously under sample younger voters, who are far less likely to support Biden. The one CNN poll with Biden up by 30+ points is junk. And at least one other poll only sampled people with landlines!
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