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Old 06-01-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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That is not much support for the 3rd thru 5th place candidates combined. Undecided is at about the same level.

The 3rd thru 5th candidates have to start vacuuming up support for the lower candidates and undecided or they need to give people a stronger reason to shift from one of the 2 leaders. There has been no sign yet that they will do this. Can they?

Klobuchar at 0? Ouch. That is her second. Gabbard at zero too. She has more of those.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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Democrat candidate for president John Hickenlooper was booed at the Democrat's California Convention on Saturday for publicly stating that "Socialism is NOT the answer".

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John Hickenlooper booed for saying 'socialism is not the answer'

The welcoming cheers 2020 presidential hopeful John Hickenlooper received when he first graced the stage at California's Democratic Convention quickly crumbled into boos and jeers after he rejected socialism as the answer to Democrats' problems.

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer," Hickenlooper said to a crowd of more than 4,500 delegates and observers on Saturday.

Before he could get finish his next sentence, a chorus of boos along with a sea of waving "Bernie" signs overtook his speech, lasting for more than 30 seconds. The moment prompted Hickenlooper to attempt a smile and eventually break from his remarks to add, "You know, if we're not careful, we're going to end up helping to re-elect the worst president in history."
So if you want to be the nominee for the Democrats, it will not help you to push back against socialism.

This could be a teachable moment for those people who are open to such a thing.
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Old 06-02-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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Democrat candidate for president John Hickenlooper was booed at the Democrat's California Convention on Saturday for publicly stating that "Socialism is NOT the answer".



So if you want to be the nominee for the Democrats, it will not help you to push back against socialism.

This could be a teachable moment for those people who are open to such a thing.
Awesome!!!
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Bwahahahaha!

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Biden declares LGBTQ rights his No. 1 legislative priority

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden declared Saturday that the Equality Act would be his top legislative priority, an effort to enshrine LGBTQ protections into the nation's labor and civil rights laws.
Identity politics. So, this is Joe Biden's top legislative priority? Nothing related to the economy, or jobs, or immigration. Not even "Climate change" or election security. But the promotion of homosexual values and culture?

Well, the upshot is, he can talk this talk now and then replace it with other priorities later. But if he makes this a central theme of his campaign, that is not going to help him, even if it is regarded as "Politically correct" to say otherwise.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Bwahahahaha!



Identity politics. So, this is Joe Biden's top legislative priority? Nothing related to the economy, or jobs, or immigration. Not even "Climate change" or election security. But the promotion of homosexual values and culture?

Well, the upshot is, he can talk this talk now and then replace it with other priorities later. But if he makes this a central theme of his campaign, that is not going to help him, even if it is regarded as "Politically correct" to say otherwise.
Biden is running full-force on identity politics. I think this is a huge mistake for him.

This is not an issue that will engender popularity among American voters. It did work for President Obama because he was uniquely good at it. He knew how to work the numbers. It did not work for Hillary, and I doubt that it will work for Biden.
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Old 06-02-2019, 02:28 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Democrat candidate for president John Hickenlooper was booed at the Democrat's California Convention on Saturday for publicly stating that "Socialism is NOT the answer".



So if you want to be the nominee for the Democrats, it will not help you to push back against socialism.

This could be a teachable moment for those people who are open to such a thing.
This unfortunately is 1972 all over again. People love to divvy up other people‘s money. All in the name of “compassion” and “inclusiveness.”
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Biden is running full-force on identity politics. I think this is a huge mistake for him.

This is not an issue that will engender popularity among American voters. It did work for President Obama because he was uniquely good at it. He knew how to work the numbers. It did not work for Hillary, and I doubt that it will work for Biden.
JBiden is making a big mistake.
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Old 06-02-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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Biden is running full-force on identity politics. I think this is a huge mistake for him.

This is not an issue that will engender popularity among American voters. It did work for President Obama because he was uniquely good at it. He knew how to work the numbers. It did not work for Hillary, and I doubt that it will work for Biden.
I am not sure it would work for Obama now. I think people are more savvy than they were back in 2008. They are on to the game.
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Old 06-02-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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Obama won because he ran on a message of economic populism during the midst of an economic crisis:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama...ion-a_b_122272

Conversely, people revolted against Obama in 2016 because he failed to fulfill his promise to usher in economic populism. Instead, they went for the guy advertising right-wing populism (Trump) since the guy advertising left-wing populism (Sanders) couldn't prevail.

The biggest takeaway? People simply want an end to the status-quo.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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Obama won because he ran on a message of economic populism during the midst of an economic crisis:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama...ion-a_b_122272

Conversely, people revolted against Obama in 2016 because he failed to fulfill his promise to usher in economic populism. Instead, they went for the guy advertising right-wing populism (Trump) since the guy advertising left-wing populism (Sanders) couldn't prevail.

The biggest takeaway? People simply want an end to the status-quo.
He really didn't. He mostly ran on a slogan "Hope and Change'. Maybe by change he meant HE would get rich.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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He really didn't. He mostly ran on a slogan "Hope and Change'. Maybe by change he meant HE would get rich.
Not true.

He boasted about his economic stimulus package as if it were the reincarnation of FDR's New Deal (wasn't the case), promise to implement universal health care (didn't happen) and also said NAFTA was a mistake while promising to renegotiate it (also didn't happen).
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