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Old 06-28-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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David Axelrod weighs in. This is right on.
Harris takedown sparks speculation over Biden's black support

Still, David Axelrod, the former strategist to Barack Obama, opined on CNN that the clash could hurt Biden with African Americans. He cited a recent poll showing Biden walloping the field with the highest African-American vote share while Harris had 12 percent.

“These kinds of exchanges can have an impact on that number, and that number is one of the reasons why he is sitting in such a strong position nationally,” Axelrod said. “So this has some perilous implications for him in this regard. On the other end of the equation, the question still remains if not him, who?”
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Old 06-28-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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Joe Scarborough declares the second debate to be a disaster for the Democrats and hopes that people were not watching:



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Joe Scarborough smacks Democrats for 'disastrous' second debate: I hope 'people were not watching'

"Last night was a disaster for the Democratic Party," Scarborough said Friday. "My only hope is people were not watching, and I will tell you why. First of all, on policy — well, let’s talk about the goal which every Democrat believes, which is, ‘We have to beat Donald Trump.’ Right? So they’re lined up in trench warfare, ready to get out of the trenches, and charge and fight Donald Trump," he said. "Instead, they all turn their guns on each other and shoot each other.

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"It is a position of every Democrat on that stage that illegal immigrants, if they cross the border illegally, should get healthcare for life," he said. "It is then the position of every Democrat on that stage, that if they cross the border illegally it’s not even illegal anymore?"
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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The 2nd Dem debate was certainly no worse than the Republican 2016 debate when 17 candidates were on stage and arguing about stupid stuff, like the size of Trump’s hands. Talk about a “Clown Car!” That debate was one for sure.
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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The 2nd Dem debate was certainly no worse than the Republican 2016 debate when 17 candidates were on stage and arguing about stupid stuff, like the size of Trump’s hands. Talk about a “Clown Car!” That debate was one for sure.
First of all, the Republicans never had more than 10 people on a time, same as the Dems last night.

To be fair to the candidates, this format sucks - badly. The media wants to try to generate sound bites and the way the answering opportunities are structured, there is no real opportunity for debate or to allow the candidates to reveal any substance beyond a sound bite length answer.

If the candidates knew what was good for them, they would band together and insist that debates be smaller panels, with someone other than partisan grandstanding hacks asking the questions. Maybe four candidates at a time, six at the very most. and then have a discussion about a single topic for at least a half an hour.

But how much of this sort of an exchange would large audiences of people watch? I am not so sure and I suspect that the TV channels are not willing to dedicate the prime time bandwidth necessary to make this work.
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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The 2nd Dem debate was certainly no worse than the Republican 2016 debate when 17 candidates were on stage and arguing about stupid stuff, like the size of Trump’s hands. Talk about a “Clown Car!” That debate was one for sure.

Disagree. The reason why the Democrat debate is so horrific is the things they were debating about ie the goals of the Democratic party!!!!!!!!!! Far too radical. Mainstream America isn't even close to accepting this. Not enough sugar on the planet to get this pill down our throats.
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Old 06-28-2019, 09:56 PM
 
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Disagree. The reason why the Democrat debate is so horrific is the things they were debating about ie the goals of the Democratic party!!!!!!!!!! Far too radical. Mainstream America isn't even close to accepting this. Not enough sugar on the planet to get this pill down our throats.
If Republicans had any sense, Jeb Bush would be our President today, instead of the present fool, who is licking the boots of dictators, like Putin and Kim.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:42 AM
 
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If Republicans had any sense, Jeb Bush would be our President today, instead of the present fool, who is licking the boots of dictators, like Putin and Kim.
If that logic holds for the Democrats, then you guys will nominate Sleepy Joe Biden.

Do you believe that is likely to happen this time? Really?
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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If Republicans had any sense, Jeb Bush would be our President today, instead of the present fool, who is licking the boots of dictators, like Putin and Kim.
I was personally for Rand Paul, but I do believe a Bush/Kasich ticket would have still defeated Hillary.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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...After 4 years of Trump, the chances look good for a Democrat...
No they don't, and that's so 1995.

Trump is filing venues beyond capacity everywhere he goes. He's got bigger support now than he had in 2015/16. He's changed how this works. Democrats are still in Russian denial.

And speaking of Democrats what do they have. Angry Sanders still battling with Hillary 0.75. i.e. Biden.
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Old 06-29-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Frank Bruni at the New York Times reveals the ultimate "Progressive" left' wet dream fantasy ticket is Harris-Buttigieg for 2020.

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And Now, the Dream of a Harris-Buttigieg Ticket

Harris had a fire that Buttigieg lacked, and it was mesmerizing. She challenged Biden not just on busing but on sloppy recent comments of his that seemed affectionate toward segregationists. She picked apart Trump’s boasts of a spectacularly booming economy, telling the right number of right anecdotes at the right time.

And she mixed strength with warmth and even humor. As candidates shouted over one another in a lunge for microphone time, she found a cranny of oratorical space in which to land a good line. “Hey, guys, you know what?” she said. “America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how we’re going to put food on their table.” It neatly pegged men as compulsive interrupters — a leitmotif of the previous night’s debate — while flying a feminist flag less strenuously than Kirsten Gillibrand, at the lectern beside hers, did.

Imagine a Harris-Buttigieg ticket, and not only what a wealth of poise but what a double scoop of precedents that would be. Plenty of people on Twitter on Thursday night were doing precisely that. Plenty more will do so in the coming days, and they should leaven that fantasy with a reality check about how far to the left Harris in particular has moved. She was one of just two candidates on Thursday night who said that she wanted to do away with private health insurance. Sanders was the other. And that could be a general-election problem for her, as it could for Elizabeth Warren, who took that same position the night before.

More at the link....
They like Elizabeth Warren, but if Kamala Harris can achieve orbital velocity, it appears that they may even like her more. And Mayor Pete is just dreamy. Poor Pocahontas.

Why is that? Well, the author tells us in the bolded section above. Because of the double scoop of "precedents" that this would provide. Of course this is referring to the cumulative number of unique "Identity politics" credentials that Harris and Buttigieg would offer together. Which is too bad for Warren, because without those Native American credentials, she cannot hang with Kamala on this score.
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