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Old 08-12-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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Elizabeth Warren takes the lead in betting markets:



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Old 08-12-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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I wonder if Warren will be able to get past her statement that Michael Brown was 'murdered' by police. Harris said the same, but she is already toast. At one time I was disposed to support Warren, but no more.

If she does get the nomination, that statement is going to come back to bite in the general.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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I wonder if Warren will be able to get past her statement that Michael Brown was 'murdered' by police. Harris said the same, but she is already toast. At one time I was disposed to support Warren, but no more.

If she does get the nomination, that statement is going to come back to bite in the general.
All of them are so over the top with the hyperbole and the race baiting hysteria that it is hard to see how they recover from that in a general election contest.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:30 AM
 
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Bernie Sanders looking strong in the latest New Hampshire poll:

NH (Gravis): Sanders 21, Biden 15, Warren 12, Buttigieg 8, Harris 7, Gabbard 5

Elizabeth Warren needs to be doing a lot better in this one.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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The Gravis poll is rated as a C+ quality poll by 538, fwiw, and down a bit from past ratings. First NH presidential poll from them I've seen reported. There are articles online questioning this pollster. Reviewing. Reports that they have worked mainly with Republicans, usually in local races. At least one campaign for a Russian agency. Uses automated robocalls to get responses and online. But apparently also has some polls that were closer to actual results than the herd though report / guess enough you'd probably get closer on some. Some bad misses have also been noted.


Highest Gabbard estimate ever on any poll.

Pollster is showing signs of trying to get more media recognition. But that is probbaly common.


I am going to wait to see some other poll agree or disagree with these results.




Not knowing if the data is reliable, here are some details being offered:


Yang gets nearly all of his support from those under 30. Klobuchar is supported by 3 times more men than women. Gabbard is most popular with those 30-49 years old and 2-1 male over female. If you believe these results, ALL of Beto's support is 30-49 year old men. Warren's support is skewed way older. 4 times as as many seniors support as young voters. Middle aged support twice as much as young but only half of seniors' level of support. Castro's support is ALL older females. Umm... I am probably not going to buy all of this or maybe any of it, yet.

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Old 08-13-2019, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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All of them are so over the top with the hyperbole and the race baiting hysteria that it is hard to see how they recover from that in a general election contest.
I agree, as the old saying goes, the ads write themselves. It lends credence to the view that they are all just jockeying, not seriously trying for the office. Maybe trying to build name ID, since nowadays that can be monetized.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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The latest YouGov (national) poll shows Biden and Warren in a statistical dead heat. Sanders is within striking range and Harris is trailing Biden almost 3-1.

YouGov: Biden 23, Warren 20, Sanders 16, Harris 8, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 5

The path for Harris has always been heavy reliance on the race and woman's cards. It is the end of the summer and everyone is on vacation, so it really does not make any sense for her to make a strong move right now. But after Labor day, she is going to have to come heavy with the incendiary racism and the PC woman's card entitlement agendas, or she is not just not going to be truly competitive.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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The latest Quinnipiac poll is starting to show some clear separation between the top four candidates:

Quinnipiac: Biden 32, Warren 21, Sanders 14, Harris 7, Buttigieg 5 | More

However, the RCP Poll average shows Sanders and Warren in a tight race for second and third:

RCP Poll Average: Biden 31.0, Sanders 15.8, Warren 15.5, Harris 8.3, Buttigieg 5.5

In the average, Joe Biden is still leading Sanders and Warren by almost 2-1.
Do you believe ANY poll today has ANY bearing on what is going to happen over a year from now?
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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I don't think so. It's more likely Beto wants to stay in his hometown and grieve for a little longer. Most folks do that after people they know die- no one gets over such deaths quickly.

Beto may drop out though. He's dedicated to his people, his town, and his state, and in such distress, Beto may decide he's better off staying home and helping his people instead of continuing his campaign.
"He's dedicated to his people, his town, and his state,,,," he is only DEDICATED to HIMSELF!
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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So far there are nine Democrats who have qualified for the next (September) presidential debate. The latest is Andrew Wang.



Here are the nine candidates that have qualified so far:
  1. Former Vice President Joe Biden
  2. New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
  3. South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
  4. California Sen. Kamala Harris
  5. Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
  6. Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke
  7. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
  8. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
  9. Tech entrepreneur Andrew Yang
There are five more that appear to be possibly in range of qualifying:
  1. Former Housing Secretary Julián Castro
  2. Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
  3. New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
  4. Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper
  5. Billionaire investor Tom Steyer
This compares with 20 candidates over two debates last time around. If there are only 10 candidates that qualify, that will create the same format problems as before, just limited to only a single debate.
Isn't Steyer trying to BUY hs way in?
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