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Old 08-24-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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The far left New Republic is concerned that Joe Biden is just a placeholder candidate and that nobody is really excited about his candidacy. But many Democrats are also concerned that the other candidates are too far left to win in 2020 and Joe Biden is the only option that they see to stop one of those too-far left candidates from ruining their chances.

In any case, is the Biden bubble about to burst? The New Republic thinks that it might be.

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Is the Biden Bubble About to Burst?

And yet, through it all, Biden has held on to a commanding lead in most opinion polls.

But that lead may be illusory. There’s a growing sense that Biden is something of a starter nominee, a candidate that voters can glom onto while they search for someone who better suits their values. “I did not meet one Biden voter who was in any way, shape or form excited about voting for Biden,” Patrick Murray, who heads the Monmouth University Polling Institute (which recently released a poll giving Biden a significant lead in Iowa) told The New York Times. “They feel that they have to vote for Joe Biden as the centrist candidate, to keep somebody from the left who they feel is unelectable from getting the nomination.” JoAnn Hardy, who heads the Cerro Gordo County Democrats, concurred, telling the Times, “He’s doing OK, but I think a lot of his initial strength was name recognition. As the voters get to meet the other candidates, he may be surpassed soon. I would not be surprised.”

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My question is, if not Joe (76), then who? Pochantas (70)? Crazy Bernie (77)? These are the top three and they currently appear to be pulling away from the rest of the pack.

Now there is certainly time for a dark horse candidate to come riding in with music from

playing excitedly in the background. And I think I would assign odds to that happening that are higher than most people here on this board. But these three are the strong favorites, for sure.
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Old 08-24-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The clown car caravan's been parked at the White House since 01/20/2017.
We are not making any progress towards dislodging that on in the 2020 election.
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Old 08-24-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: 404
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It is sad to see the DNC soiling itself in this manner, yet again. They should fix this and let Tulsi participate in the September debate.
They're not done unemploying themselves. When the party finally hits rock bottom next year, maybe 2021*, then they'll be ready for something new.


*Denial is sometimes a very long ride down the river.
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Old 08-24-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The DNC must answer the question of... do they want to win presidential elections or win local elections? It seems the spread on ideology is too great to win both.

Personally and IMO, if the dems are confident enough to win local urban elections/areas and govern & manage the urban areas "better" (broad term), then they should do so. Find who you are and be that... party. Develop a leader(s) who can show a resume of success. How many Obama's are out there now who can win on charisma?

Is it about power or policy?
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The DNC must answer the question of... do they want to win presidential elections or win local elections? It seems the spread on ideology is too great to win both.

Personally and IMO, if the dems are confident enough to win local urban elections/areas and govern & manage the urban areas "better" (broad term), then they should do so. Find who you are and be that... party. Develop a leader(s) who can show a resume of success. How many Obama's are out there now who can win on charisma?

Is it about power or policy?
Right now, it's all about Anyone But Trump.

For the moment, policy is taking a backseat to that, and once Trump is gone, the power struggle will take care of itself.
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Maaaaaybe it's easier to give an example....

Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, that's y'alls nominees... the way I see it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Maaaaaybe it's easier to give an example....

Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, that's y'alls nominees... the way I see it.
Or Bernie Sanders.
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Maaaaaybe it's easier to give an example....

Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, that's y'alls nominees... the way I see it.
I was thinking the other day that the race is really at this point down to Biden, Bernie, and Warren. That is of course pending unexpected developments with 14 months to go. Harris seems to be out of the running at this point.

If this is the case, it seems likely that Bernie and Warren are going to split the far-left/progressive vote, leaving a wide open path for Biden.
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Personally, if I was a dem... I would really be focusing on 2024 bigley or get a president Trump doll, and start sticking pins in it.
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Friends of Kirsten Gillibrand are encouraging here to drop out. If she cannot qualify for the debates with a 2% polling threshold, that is probably good advice.

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'She’s not going to make it': Friends and donors want Gillibrand to drop out

Friends, former staffers, and donors say it's time for Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand to end her low-polling presidential campaign, as she struggles to reach the donor threshold that would qualify her for the next set of debates. Instead of focusing on a losing presidential campaign, they instead want the New York Democrat to focus on staying in the Senate.

“It would be best if she decided that this was not her time,” one longtime Gillibrand fundraiser told the New York Post. "Most people that I talk to are very happy with her as their senator and don’t want her to give up her Senate seat and don’t see any realistic traction for her."

“I don’t know that anyone even wants to see her on the debate stage. Everyone I have talked to finds her performative and obnoxious,” a former senior staffer in Gillibrand’s Senate office said.
Yep. And then who is next. Beto? Where's Beto?
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