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Dems and Repubs both broken, but in different ways.
At least Schultz has the guts to acknowledge this. That alone makes him a contender.
Last point, i'm not a republican, and I am not lecturing. If anything im a disenfranchised democrat. The party has undergone a drastic transformation over the past 10 years, and it doesn't resonate with many many who consider themselves in the center. I want them to get back to the center, and back towards sanity, but unfortunately it doesn't look like its happening anytime soon.
my thoughts also...…….and we are politically similar...….
Wouldn't he pull his votes from left leaners and disenchanted Dems?
Who cares? I think having more legitimate options is a good thing. I do like what he is saying about the debt and the dangers of socialism. Other than that I will wait and see.
We need a presidential race with multiple possible winners. Not just two flawed candidates from the two parties. I don't want it to come down to Trump vs. Warren, Sanders or Harris. We can do much better than that.
Who cares? I think having more legitimate options is a good thing. I do like what he is saying about the debt and the dangers of socialism. Other than that I will wait and see.
We need a presidential race with multiple possible winners. Not just two flawed candidates from the two parties. I don't want it to come down to Trump vs. Warren, Sanders or Harris. We can do much better than that.
He’s getting tons of free coverage from Morning Joe and the rest of those clowns for no real reason, just like Trump four years ago. He’s not worthy of the attention.
Schultz is really Gary Johnson. His stance isn't really THAT Democrat and far more Trump minus the social issues. Schultz is running largely in favor of current tax structure and against single-payer healthcare. Socialized healthcare programs like Medicare-for-all are the way of the people right now and Schultz and Trump are against them and for insurance companies. Even moderate Democrats and Republicans realize that now.
Schultz is really fearing the Berniecrat wing of the Democrat Party. These are the more liberal socialized Democrats that many millenial and zillenial voters agree with. My brother who is a Rockefeller is for Medicare-for-all and might have voted Bernie. Schultz represents the corportist right leaning Democrats like in the South and rust belt, rather than the liberals. He has the wealth and doesn't like sharing it. His stance on social medicine, shows that.
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Originally Posted by burdell
I think the likely result of Schultz thinking of running will be we'll see just how quickly the (D)s and (R)s can join hands to defend their stranglehold on the White House from outsiders.
I can get why people may think that, but I don't see it. What I see more, is Schultz being a spoiler and helping Trump. He may not like Trump, but may help Trump or hurt Trump. I think by stance on economic issues, he may siphon off the more traditional Republicans from Trump, not the MAGA Trump supporters. Those annoyed about Trump's temper tantrums.
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Absolutely. I think thats why they are disrupting Trump also. I mean I wonder why they couldnt come up with bills for healthcare or border security but could come easily for estate tax repeal and deficit spending tax bill.
They could have atleast called Kevin spacey for help, he made the education bill look easy.
Trump also shows his "patriotism" which is a no no for many because business has no borders.
No, just no.
The Republican Party has attached themselves to Trump. Why, because he won. If he lost, they would have entirely dropped the Trump platform. The party of the White House typically tries to attach themselves to their President and push the President's agenda. Bush '43 fought for the War on Terror, education reform and the Bush tax cuts, he got them. Obama fought for healthcare reform and we got ObamaCare.
The Democrats are currently in the middle of the identity crisis of the losing party like the Republicans were in during 2010/1 between if they go TEA Party, religious conservative or mainstream Republican. It is typical of any losing party. The Democrats are figuring out if a more liberal approach that the younger voters want and Bernie pushed for in 2016 and led to wins in 2018 Congressional races or more traditional center-right Democrats.
The problem with Trump is he just galvanizing and Republicans thought that during the primary process. This is nothing new. Trump's problem is he is disrupting Washington and is against what many want. Many like protections under ObamaCare and see what Republicans want with their proposals to replace not working and just the legacy insurance system with no safety nets. Constituents complain and that is why after that McCain vote, we haven't heard much of dropping ObamaCare. Border security is a tougher nut to crack since we are looking at immigration as the border not visa overhaul which even Trump supporters have said is a problem that we need to crackdown on, yet isn't.
As for Trump showing "patriotism" that is laughable. Trump is marketer who made money in real estate. He is marketing himself as a patriot with America-first but he isn't. He is one of those that doesn't attack the visas I brought up. Why, he benefits from the labor of foreigners and always have. He has used undocumented workers, sweat shops and visas to cut costs over the years. All of this is pretty well documented. To say Trump is showing his "patriotism" is being blind.
The Republican Party has attached themselves to Trump. Why, because he won. If he lost, they would have entirely dropped the Trump platform.
That's how it works whenever a candidate wins the presidency. You lose and your ideas are forgotten. Hillary lost so the DEM party has lurched much farther to the left as a response.
He’s getting tons of free coverage from Morning Joe and the rest of those clowns for no real reason, just like Trump four years ago. He’s not worthy of the attention.
The last well known billionaire who decided to run for POTUS won. And before that Perot came very close to winning. If Perot had not pulled out and got back in the race he would have likely won and the whole political landscape might be totally different today. So of course Shultz is going to get attention. Seems to me if you are a billionaire and actually run you have a strong chance of winning. Shultz has to be scaring the RNC and DNC.
I believe most Americans are somewhere in the center. They are put off by Trump's extremism and the far lefts extremism. This whole notion that everything is broken and we need to radically change it all is quite disconcerting to a majority of Americans. You don't talk about 90% taxes or close the government over the wall when things are going well. Total insanity on both sides.
The party that elected Trump to be their leader - out of 16 other viable candidates- probably shouldn't be lecturing anyone on 'sanity'.
Anyone running as in Independent could split the vote - could help split the Republican vote too as this billionaire portrays himself as a 'centrist' and doesn't identify with the Democratic party.
So, you intend to character assassinate the guy as much as you possibly can because of that.
He’s getting tons of free coverage from Morning Joe and the rest of those clowns for no real reason, just like Trump four years ago. He’s not worthy of the attention.
Guy that rose from poverty to billionaire building Starbucks from a tiny business to what you see today, creates a media firestorm for daring to run indy and you can't figure out why that wouldn't be a ratings bonanza for media outlets that are run for profit.
I literally chuckled out loud as I watched the bitter grapes from something you don't like politically reach out and throttle your cerebral cortex to the point you can't understand why something just happened.
Wouldn't he pull his votes from left leaners and disenchanted Dems?
And Republicans, too, if he can show the ability to unite.
I think there are reasonable, capable people in both parties. It is the lunatics who keep things stirred up. Schultz has not wasted any wards when he told E Warren, AOC, and K Harris that they were full of hot air disguised as "fresh, new ideas".
I'll listen.
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