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Old 01-29-2019, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So much of the Democratic party has completely abandoned the middle class working person. Blue collar workers, as well as white collar. The ditzy crowd they have come out so far are so busy promising "free ****"-that working people realize they will have to pay for. So...are there any Dem candidates that might do some of the following:

1) Reign in government spending. The Republicans have failed miserably, increasing the deficit, even at a time of record revenues.

2) Support jobs-particularly the return of manufacturing jobs to the US.

3) Support fair trade agreements that level the playing field between US workers/companies and foreign companies.

4) Protect American citizens. Secure the borders, work to keep illegals from depressing the wages of American workers.

5) Have some idea how to control the costs of health care. Not simply have the government pay for it-that doesn't reduce the cost-simply shift who pays those costs.

6) Reduce our foreign military engagements. Someone that would bring our troops home and stop sacrificing the lives of our servicemen and women for people of other nations. Stop subsidizing NATO, let other nations pay their fair share.

7) Slash foreign aid-stop throwing the taxpayer dollars at every other nation on the planet.

8) Does not promote schemes to raise taxes or subsidies government-selected companies under the guise of "climate change"? All things that hit middle class taxpayers hard in terms of increased energy costs.

9) Keep taxes and regulations reasonable on businesses. Most working people are not stupid-they realize that without successful businesses they would not have jobs, and that business owners are not their enemy.

10) Keep their taxes reasonable.

11) Supports the 2nd amendment and not promoting more regressive laws on law-abiding gun owners.


All these ideas are things that have a broad appeal to the middle class worker-and taxpayer. This is true again of both blue and white collar workers. All things that USED TO be fundamental concepts that the Democratic party stood for. You know-putting Americans, and especially American workers, first. Yet NO Democrat that has announced they are running are even close.

Instead of doing things for American workers, they do the exact opposite. They promise to have the taxpayers pay for college for everybody-regardless of their major, the effort they contribute, or the need for their degree in the marketplace. They promise to have the taxpayers pay for everyone's health care-without explaining how they are going to control cost or maintain quality. They give taxpayer funded health care and college to foreign criminals. They support releasing criminals from prison, or not locking them up in the first place-criminals that return to prey on innocent people, usually on that very same middle class. In short...everything they promote, hurts the middle class-and especially blue collar workers. Are there ANY Democrats that actually have any appeal for workers?
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:46 PM
 
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Zero Chance.



This is why Trump will hand them their ass again in 2020.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Just look at how far left Harris is already going--free health care, free college, universal pre-k, gun control. It almost certainly is to stay to the left of Bernie Sanders. Others will have to follow suit or get zero traction.

Hillary is actually non-ideological IMO, and I have read quite a few books about her now. Her 'ideology' is cronyism/loyalty. When Obama asked her to be Secretary of State, she did not discuss policy. Her concern was making sure that she could fill plenty of top state dept slots with her friends. Normally the President chooses most of the slots.

I think she would govern center left, maybe even center right, especially on foreign policy. She was a hawk as SOS.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:53 PM
 
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Closest to what OP suggests is Joe Manchin.

Or Phil Bredesen.
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Closest to what OP suggests is Joe Manchin.

Or Phil Bredesen.
https://www.gq.com/story/joe-manchin...-trump-country

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And there's things he's done that I like and support, okay? And there's things I would love to help him with and make him better.” Soon Manchin stopped speaking to me—or himself—and began addressing Trump. “ ‘Mr. President, these Democrats are not all that bad—just because we have a D by our name,’ ” Manchin said. “ ‘It seems like you're the president of the Republicans. I want you to be the president of all of us. You're my president.’ ”

If that sounds to you like an unusual sentiment to hear from a Democrat these days, it's worth noting that there aren't many Democrats quite like the senator from West Virginia. After Trump's shocking victory in 2016, Manchin was perhaps the only member of his party willing to express optimism about what lay ahead. “I don't think Donald Trump is far to the right,” Manchin told me a few days before Trump's inauguration. “I think he's pretty much centrist—a moderate, centrist conservative Democrat.” Manchin marveled about how willing Trump seemed to be to listen to others (in contrast to Barack Obama, who, Manchin told me, “didn't seem like he had any empathy for anyone left behind because of a policy and his desire for social changes he wanted”). “We couldn't get through before,” Manchin said. “You can get through to this guy.”
Interesting. I need to read up on him a little more. I sincerely hope moderates/centrists take the Democratic party back from the left-wing loons that get so much notoriety these days. And he's right-Trump's policies are what Democrats used to promote-back when they supported working Americans.

Moderate Democrats (or Republicans for that matter) get so little coverage these days. Nice to see that there are still a couple left.
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:41 PM
 
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The Democritters are looking at the failure in '016 and have decided their problem was that they suppressed the far left wing of the party in favor of the merely left wing of the party by supporting the Hildabeast over Sanders. They're determined to prevent that from happening again. So they're keeping the party apparatchiks somewhat in check, and letting the primaries fall where they may. This will probably allow the Sandersnista wing of the party pick the candidate.

So, a moderate? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:21 AM
 
Location: az
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The Dems have painted themselves into a corner. The AOC crowd wants free this and free that. They don't get their way they may sit 2020 out. The Black vote? Same thing. They don't get a candidate of their choice they may stay home in similar numbers to 2016

Elizabeth Warren? Too damaged. Joe B? An old white man? Like he's going to excite the AOC and Black vote.

Beto? The far left is already trying to smear him. Yet he could survive and the AOC crowd may end up supporting him but not necessarily the Black vote.

My money says the Dem nominee will be Harris. A Black woman whose is already on the offensive making sure the AOC vote will be on board and supportive.

But can she beat Trump? I doubt it. He's got Ohio in the bag and Florida is not far behind. The impregnable Blue Wall? That crumbled and the rust belt states up for grabs.

It is also quite possible Trump will do better with the Black/Hispanic vote in 2020 than he did in 2016.

No, Harris isn't likely to beat Trump but who else can the Democrats nominate? Identity politics comes with a cost. Harris is the only one that can possible excite both the Black and AOC vote.

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Old 01-30-2019, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Once being an old school Democrat... Truman, Kennedy and Johnson type, I turned away from the party back in the 80s and since the 90s, I haven't supported the policies offered up by the Democrat Party. Now, it has turned into something that doesn't support the average working man or woman and lies to the middle class about everything. Yet, bends over backwards to help the illegal aliens who are flooding the country and freezing any wage growth for most every entry/low skilled jobs.

And something of importance to me is that the Democrat Party has turned its back on the African American population in favor of courting the often illegal alien future vote.

I don't see the Democrats fielding a canidate that can take on Trump since it's now way too far left for most Americans since the average American knows that all this "free" stuff they're offering isn't free. The wealthy can do something the working middle class can't do... Flee the country and renounce their United States citizenship to avoid paying any hyper inflated tax rates, which again, means the working middle class is stuck with the bill to pay for all this "free" stuff. Let's be honest, a socialist is a socialist, even if you attach the "Democratic " verbiage to it.

If you want to sink the economy, while throwing millions of American out of work and watch the 401Ks, TSPs, IRAs and whatever other retirement saving plans sink for the remaining ones who are still working sink, vote for a Democrat in 2020. Trump wasn't my choice, but if I have to pick a poison, I'll stay with him since, IMHO, I think he's doing a fair to good job as President.

The only Democrat that I think that even has a slight chance is Joe Biden... If he locks himself into the Center, with a slight lean to the Left... And not to an Obama style Left, but to the true Center, I think he could win. I think Trump can dismantle Harris's Far Left policies with simple math, logic and his special way of explaining how thing really work in the real world to the average American. As well as growing in African American support... If the current Democrat Party was honest, they know that Trump's support from the African American community is growing cuz his policies are actually working for them... The main stream media will lead you to believe that Trump has ZERO African American support, which is nothing but a straight up lie. Many, not all, but many in my family voted for him, but will not openly admit it. Since that's the case, the Democrats need to know that the the African American is not like a cheap date that's locked in, cuz it's not. Especially after the Democrats plans of ignoring them is now the standard operating procedures.

Will Trump win by a land slide? No. But, I think he'll win again since at the end of the day half of the country will vote for him... Not because they "like" him, but he is basically lesser of two evils... IMHO.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Once being an old school Democrat... Truman, Kennedy and Johnson type, I turned away from the party back in the 80s and since the 90s, I haven't supported the policies offered up by the Democrat Party. Now, it has turned into something that doesn't support the average working man or woman and lies to the middle class about everything. Yet, bends over backwards to help the illegal aliens who are flooding the country and freezing any wage growth for most every entry/low skilled jobs.

And something of importance to me is that the Democrat Party has turned its back on the African American population in favor of courting the often illegal alien future vote.

I don't see the Democrats fielding a canidate that can take on Trump since it's now way too far left for most Americans since the average American knows that all this "free" stuff they're offering isn't free. The wealthy can do something the working middle class can't do... Flee the country and renounce their United States citizenship to avoid paying any hyper inflated tax rates, which again, means the working middle class is stuck with the bill to pay for all this "free" stuff. Let's be honest, a socialist is a socialist, even if you attach the "Democratic " verbiage to it.

If you want to sink the economy, while throwing millions of American out of work and watch the 401Ks, TSPs, IRAs and whatever other retirement saving plans sink for the remaining ones who are still working sink, vote for a Democrat in 2020. Trump wasn't my choice, but if I have to pick a poison, I'll stay with him since, IMHO, I think he's doing a fair to good job as President.

The only Democrat that I think that even has a slight chance is Joe Biden... If he locks himself into the Center, with a slight lean to the Left... And not to an Obama style Left, but to the true Center, I think he could win. I think Trump can dismantle Harris's Far Left policies with simple math, logic and his special way of explaining how thing really work in the real world to the average American. As well as growing in African American support... If the current Democrat Party was honest, they know that Trump's support from the African American community is growing cuz his policies are actually working for them... The main stream media will lead you to believe that Trump has ZERO African American support, which is nothing but a straight up lie. Many, not all, but many in my family voted for him, but will not openly admit it. Since that's the case, the Democrats need to know that the the African American is not like a cheap date that's locked in, cuz it's not. Especially after the Democrats plans of ignoring them is now the standard operating procedures.

Will Trump win by a land slide? No. But, I think he'll win again since at the end of the day half of the country will vote for him... Not because they "like" him, but he is basically lesser of two evils... IMHO.
I didn't vote for him before, but if it ends up coming down to Trump and Harris, I'll vote for Trump. I won't go third party/write-in like I did last time. I can't believe I'm saying this next part, but I would actually vote for Manchin over Trump.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Pelosi said during 2008 campaign that promises made by campaigning politicians should not be believed


Pelosi, when asked about dems running opposed to her positions, said they should do what they have to to get elected.


Schumer said trump was only trying to fulfill campaign promises. which translates to schumer believing a campaign promise is just something you say to get elected.


Suggest reading 'Little Red Riding Hood" and focus on the behavior of the WOLF who used a disguise to trick LRRH.


Still don't get it?


Suggest reading about the Trojan horse.


Pelosi does not allow any dem to buck her position. Look to Pelosi to see what the democrats will do, So much for all the new dems who promised not to vote for Pelosi or oppose her policies.


Same party whose leader said. the ME is a more tranquil place because of my ME policies


Yemen is a good example of my successful foreign policies


It was a rogue IRS office in Cincinnati.......


it was the video


shovel ready jobs


I know people voted for Obama when he promised my energy plan would skyrocket taxes


His energy czar wanted to make our gasoline price equivalent to Europe's.


Dems will destroy the economy with regulations.


Dems promise free stuff, who is going to pay for the free stuff, the 1%???? there is not enough money form that pot to cover all the free stuff. Any conscious person can see the trickle down tax burden that expands to everyday working people when their plan to tax the rich doesn't cover their promise of free stuff.


most important is the current campaign of hate and fear mongering form that unethical democrat party leaders. they tried to destroy trump not just oppose his policies. the democrat party is without ethics, more so than the repub never trumpers. Democrats use of lies, innuemdo, possession of an official propaganda machine, the former free press, makes them dangerous and destructive to our country. they destroyed confidence in the DOJ. they continue to divide the country just as if Putin was pulling their strings.


Given the tradition of lies and spending there is no possible democrat candidate that is viable candidate.


Dems will end up running michelle Obama in 2020.
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