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Old 02-16-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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Bill Weld won as a Republican in Massachusetts in a bad year for Republicans, a year when John Kerry won re-election to the U.S. Senate from the same state. He was re-elected with 70% of the vote in 1994. Donald Trump lost the popular vote but won the electoral college by winning narrow margins in a few states during a time of economic stagnation. I have no doubt William Weld would do far better than Trump in a general election. Weld would do well not only in suburban areas of states Trump won like Pennsylvania and Ohio, but also states Clinton won like Colorado and Virginia.



you have NO poll data to support your claim. Weld has never ran a national campaign on top of the ticket so there is no data that shows he can win the Republican primary from a sitting President that has strong support from the party let alone win a general election of 30 states/306 EV and win states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan when Dole, W Bush, McCain and Romney couldn't win those states and they were stronger national candidates than Weld by far and had strong support of the base something Weld doen't have.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Flake bowed out of running in spite of speculation, but Weld just announced he was starting an exploratory committee.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/polit...tee/index.html

Hallelujah!


Bill Weld is terrific; I've heard him speak in person. He was my Governor in the '90s.



Maybe I can go back to being a Republican again...maybe. I'd like to vote for him.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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The lines are drawn. The Democrats will nominate a Progressive, but not an ultra-Progressive. The Republicans will nominate Trump.

Trump will probably win.
Progressive is a squishy term but if you mean Bernie Sanders, nope, not gonna happen. The Democratic nominee is going to be mainstream, perhaps Warren, but more likely Kamala Harris.

Trump is not going to win. He has alienated a lot of liberal Republicans and he cannot get by on his base alone. If the economy slides at all, he will lose. If the Mueller report comes back highly damaging for him, he will lose. If the courts go against his emergency declaration and he cannot build his promised wall, he will lose. He basically has more ways he can lose than he can win.
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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Progressive is a squishy term but if you mean Bernie Sanders, nope, not gonna happen. The Democratic nominee is going to be mainstream, perhaps Warren, but more likely Kamala Harris.

Trump is not going to win. He has alienated a lot of liberal Republicans and he cannot get by on his base alone. If the economy slides at all, he will lose. If the Mueller report comes back highly damaging for him, he will lose. If the courts go against his emergency declaration and he cannot build his promised wall, he will lose. He basically has more ways he can lose than he can win.

We heard this before on Trump in 2016...if, if, if.........Kamala Harris? the one that wants to push for medicare for all and get rid of the private healthcare industry ?......is that what you call mainstream? the same with Warren.....lol



the problem with Kamala Harris and Warren is that they will go so far to the left during the 2020 Democrat primary which will be a circus of bad ideas to outdo the progressives socialists in the party on healthcare, immigration, taxes and this green deal that they will make Trump look like the mainstream candidate.


Kamala Harris is a lightweight version of Hillary Clinton.
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Old 02-16-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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We heard this before on Trump in 2016...if, if, if.........Kamala Harris? the one that wants to push for medicare for all and get rid of the private healthcare industry ?......is that what you call mainstream? the same with Warren.....lol
No she doesn't. Yes she is running on that and that is what people will vote on but she is lying. She is corporate through and through.

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Kamala Harris is a lightweight version of Hillary Clinton.
Hillary was completely bought by Wall Street.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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No she doesn't. Yes she is running on that and that is what people will vote on but she is lying. She is corporate through and through.



Hillary was completely bought by Wall Street.



that's why I call her a lightweight version on Hillary Clinton....she is light of foreign policy compared to Hillary and I know she is a corporate Democrat.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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"Our current patchwork immigration system has all the disadvantages of "de facto legalization" for illegal immigrants, but none of the advantages. Those 11 million undocumented workers manage to escape detection, so that's legalization of a sort. It sure beats being deported. But they don't get the benefit of legalizing their status, which would mean squaring their accounts with the government and being able to emerge from the shadows and strive openly to succeed here. Those 11 million people don't all need to become US citizens. They just need to start feeling that they can advance themselves without worrying that someone might notice and report them." (Source: William Weld and Susan Cohen editorial in Boston Globe , Apr 1, 2013)



He basically has as the same policy as Hillary Clinton, if they make it here they get to stay. That's why he supported Hillary Clinton. He has more in common with her than the conservative base of the GOP.





nobody is against legal immigration. That is not my argument but to say every legal immigrant that enters our country has a positive effect on the economy is hogwash. We need to have a conversation on the # of legal immigrants we accept a year and the requirements and not this policy of accepting everybody and thinking it will have no negative consequences.





I don't know the intentions or reasons why EVERYBODY that crosses the border illegally with children are doing it and neither do you. You assume that all of them are good people and want a better life. All We know that they are violating our laws and are a security risk. If I rob the bank or a 7 Eleven with my Children in the car, I will be separated from my children. The defense that I wanted a better life for them is not going to cut it in court. Violating laws and using children as pawns has consequences and is not immoral. Prisons re jails in the U.S. are full of Americans who were separated from their family. If you don't want to be separated from your children don't violate the law especially entering illegally to another country.



You say illegal border crossing are down? based on what? the study you are repeating came from the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey (ACS) which is an unenforced mandate and the estimates unverifiable. This is from the same crowd that has estimated illegal immigration stuck at 11 million for over 2 decades using the census which is a joke.

it's hard to keep track of illegals because they are not in the system and they use different aliases and fake names and move around constantly but most do 1 thing for sure, they wired most of their illegal earnings back to Mexico and other countries because the U.S. dollars multiplies in their countries.
Migrants from Latin America and the Caribbean are sending more money to their families back home than ever before. These annual "remittances" — as they're called by analysts — topped $69 billion in 2016, according to central bank data and it went up in 2017 but according to the ACS, illegal immigration is down? LOL

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...oney-than-ever









what???? LMAO!!!! He won MASS for his liberal stance on issues and this is back in 1990 and 1994......this will be 2020 and Weld has yet to prove he can be a legit candidate in a national race running as a liberal Republican.


Kasich won governor of Ohio twice and he got killed in the GOP primary in 2016 because the base of the party don't like him, they feel he is a RINO just like Weld.



You think Weld has a shot winning the GOP primary being for partial birth abortion and calling the AR-15 weapons of mass destruction and endorsing Hillary Clinton? LOL, wishful thinking. The Conservative base will stay home and he would get killed in the general election. Even the Libertarian party don't want Weld back, they think he is a liberal.


He said in 2016 about Hillary Clinton: "a perfectly reputable, professional, responsible candidate for president of the United States and deserves to be treated as such."


on that alone he is toast in the GOP........but keep wishing.
Major props to you. That's how you totally dismantle an opponent's argument.
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Old 03-02-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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you have NO poll data to support your claim. Weld has never ran a national campaign on top of the ticket so there is no data that shows he can win the Republican primary from a sitting President that has strong support from the party let alone win a general election of 30 states/306 EV and win states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan when Dole, W Bush, McCain and Romney couldn't win those states and they were stronger national candidates than Weld by far and had strong support of the base something Weld doen't have.
I never said I think Weld will be the nominee, nor did I say he would win those states. I said he would do better in suburban areas in swing states like Colorado and Virginia that Trump did not win in 2016.
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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you have NO poll data to support your claim. Weld has never ran a national campaign on top of the ticket so there is no data that shows he can win the Republican primary from a sitting President that has strong support from the party let alone win a general election of 30 states/306 EV and win states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan when Dole, W Bush, McCain and Romney couldn't win those states and they were stronger national candidates than Weld by far and had strong support of the base something Weld doen't have.
So, here's the thing. Weld knows he can't win. He's no dummy.

All he needs to do is siphon a few votes from Donald and he will have done his job IF he can stay in that long.

Which republican mega donor is funding him, I wonder?

Koch Brothers sure don't like trump.
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Old 03-03-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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So, here's the thing. Weld knows he can't win. He's no dummy.

All he needs to do is siphon a few votes from Donald and he will have done his job IF he can stay in that long.

Which republican mega donor is funding him, I wonder?

Koch Brothers sure don't like trump.
Donald Trump does not respect the free enterprise system that made this country great, that is why he is for tariffs and routinely criticizes private businesses.

The Koch brothers are great businessmen who also give a lot to charity and have been leading advocates of limited government and free enterprise. I'm not sure if they will support William Weld, but I hope they do.
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