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Old 05-20-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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Ignorance can be cured by looking things up. Just sayin'

Gabbard was against gay marriage before she found out it wasn't politically convenient, and now she is for it.
This has been covered endlessly. Yes, that is how she was raised. She understands she was wrong. Nothing inconsistent there.

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She also presents herself, and has this projection backed up by the media, that is she is some maverick among Democrats who goes against the party for "what is right", when the fact is, she has only ever voted against the majority Democrat position once in her whole time in Congress.
It's too bad we don't vote on wars anymore.

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Plenty of inconsistent in Gabbard. Same as every elected politician in existence. She's no different. No better, no worse, no difference at all. Pick one, pick 5, pick 435...they are all the same with inconsistency.

Which is why no politician can be logically consistent. They're primary mission is to get/stay elected, and to do that, they have to lie, cheat and steal. I understand this completely, which is why I don't buy for one second that Tulsi Gabbard is some unicorn politician who has managed to rise above it all and be pure as the drive snow or whatever. She's a liar, cheat and thief, same as everyone else in that fetid pit of swill we call our Capitol.
She's against our intervening in other countries. You disagree?
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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It is the major parties that are inconsistent. The Republicans are all for protecting unborn babies then callously turn a blind eye to the horrendous murder of innocent civilians, many of them women and children, in their "patriotic wars". They say they are for small government yet the government always grows under their leadership.

The Democrats are all for protecting career criminals and murderers then aggressively pursue the horrendous murder of innocent babies. The Democrats don't stand for much except for stealing hard earned money and purchasing votes and power with the plunder.
I understand this 100%. Which is why you cannot be logically consistent as a member of a party. Gabbard is no different.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Ignorance can be cured by looking things up. Just sayin'

Gabbard was against gay marriage before she found out it wasn't politically convenient, and now she is for it.

She also presents herself, and has this projection backed up by the media, that is she is some maverick among Democrats who goes against the party for "what is right", when the fact is, she has only ever voted against the majority Democrat position once in her whole time in Congress.

Plenty of inconsistent in Gabbard. Same as every elected politician in existence. She's no different. No better, no worse, no difference at all. Pick one, pick 5, pick 435...they are all the same with inconsistency.

Which is why no politician can be logically consistent. They're primary mission is to get/stay elected, and to do that, they have to lie, cheat and steal. I understand this completely, which is why I don't buy for one second that Tulsi Gabbard is some unicorn politician who has managed to rise above it all and be pure as the drive snow or whatever. She's a liar, cheat and thief, same as everyone else in that fetid pit of swill we call our Capitol.
Ignorance is believing people's political views don't evolve as they mature and it's not reasonable to sometimes be pragmatic, especially if you hold it against her for voting in line with most other Democrats and the fact that she was once against same sex marriage.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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The current unemployment rate for Blacks, women, and Hispanics is at historical lows. Trumps tax, regulatory, and energy policies are directly responsible. Most people's retirement funds have benefited great from the excellent stock markets. Their home values have also increased.
Not for Blacks. The lowest Black unemployment has been was at 4.6 percent, back in 1953. Black unemployment rates actually went up between 2018 to this year. Black Americans, relative to other groups, are still seeing lower home values and haven't fully recovered from the Great Recession. Trump's tax policies haven't helped Black people. I just talked to my uncle. He had to pay more taxes.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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Ignorance is believing people's political views don't evolve as they mature and it's not reasonable to sometimes be pragmatic, especially if you hold it against her for voting in line with most other Democrats and the fact that she was once against same sex marriage.
All politicians say what is politically convenient at the time they say it. Their stances shift with the prevailing cultural winds. I don't buy it from any of them, Gabbard included.

Being a politician requires logical inconsistency, therefore, supporting politicians requires logical inconsistency. It's not a difficult concept.

She's nothing special, and she's no different from her peers.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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All politicians say what is politically convenient at the time they say it. Their stances shift with the prevailing cultural winds. I don't buy it from any of them, Gabbard included.
It wasn't politically convenient to buck Obama on Syria. It wasn't politically convenient to back Sanders against the DNC.

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Being a politician requires logical inconsistency, therefore, supporting politicians requires logical inconsistency. It's not a difficult concept.

She's nothing special, and she's no different from her peers.
You have a problem with her anti-interventionist policies?
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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What is a "liberal conservative?"
Could be a couple of things :

1). Tulsi is just so pretty!
2). Tulsi support Iran, Russia and the Butcher of Damascus
3). Perhaps "liberal conservatives" support only those politicians who don't hold any leadership positions
4). Tulsi fights hard for the Macadamia Nut
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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All politicians say what is politically convenient at the time they say it. Their stances shift with the prevailing cultural winds. I don't buy it from any of them, Gabbard included.

Being a politician requires logical inconsistency, therefore, supporting politicians requires logical inconsistency. It's not a difficult concept.

She's nothing special, and she's no different from her peers.
You seems to me that you simply have trust issues, if you really believe what you're saying about Gabbard and all politicians in general.

That's a personal problem you're trying to project onto others.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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It wasn't politically convenient to buck Obama on Syria. It wasn't politically convenient to back Sanders against the DNC.
Sure it was, in both cases. Sanders was the popular candidate that the DNC machinery didn't prefer. The anti-intervention into Syria thing is anti-war cred that works for all Democrat candidates.
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You have a problem with her anti-interventionist policies?
None whatsoever, but in the House and Senate, being anti-war is easy, and as President, not so much. Ask the fervently, zealously, almost rabidly anti-war Senator Barack Obama, and compare his rhetoric and voting to President Obama, Drone Assassin Extraordinaire.

They say what they need to in order to trick you into a vote, and then govern according to the rules of the oligarchy. Gabbard is and would be no different.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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You seems to me that you simply have trust issues, if you really believe what you're saying about Gabbard and all politicians in general.

That's a personal problem you're trying to project onto others.
It's not an issue. Facts back up what I am saying. Candidates say one thing, and do another. That's politics and it is easily verified for every one of them.

I am anti-government generally, and no mater what any of them promise or do, they always harm someone first in order to do anything, so by definition, I oppose them all no matter what they promise or do.

I am just not naive enough to believe that any one of them is somehow magically more pious, resolute and trustworthy than the tens of thousands of them over the last 230+ years, all of whom having history prove they are exactly what I claim them to be.
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