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I wasn't referring to independents. I was referring to the very large swath of voters who don't spend time on forums like these or on twitter who are, yes, MODERATES.
I was replying to the other guy more than you, but no, those people arent moderates either. they just dont debate nuance.
Some of the most deeply conservative people I know have never been on a political forum. Same with Progressives. Some of those people on both sides think their views are the majority and define themselves as moderate because of it.
This has nothing to do with the "lefty media' party bosses or any of that. Fact of the matter is we are still very early and early polls always favor those with the strongest name id. There is no conspiracy here.
The reality is that the majority of Americans are neither Far Right nor Far Left eventhough both of those groups tend to make more noise and power in the two parties primaries. I believe th3 larger number of Americans including independents which now make almost as large a group as the two parties are more interested in someone more in middle and this is where Biden comes in and the support that he has. Is not the rabid support that you see in the crowds of the Far Left or Right but is more the support of the quiet middle.
After Trump most Americans want to return to normality
There have been polls out in the past few days showing Biden is losing ground. This was expected by many, but there are or were those who are just sure he is a shoe in for the nomination.
as for Trump, like him or not: think most Americans want to return to normality? Could be right, but he still draws the largest crowds of candidate.
There have been polls out in the past few days showing Biden is losing ground. This was expected by many, but there are or were those who are just sure he is a shoe in for the nomination.
Except that isnt true.
There is a difference between losing ground and one poll showing him with less of a lead than the other.
And even in those examples, he has gained.
for example,the Change research poll has Biden at 31%, thats the lowest of any major poll, but the exact same poll had him with only 21% last month.
So in the context of that poll, he gained 10%, and his lead went from 1% to 9%.
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as for Trump, like him or not: think most Americans want to return to normality? Could be right, but he still draws the largest crowds of candidate.
crowd size is not the same as votes. Didnt Hillary Clinton Already prove that.
There have been polls out in the past few days showing Biden is losing ground. This was expected by many, but there are or were those who are just sure he is a shoe in for the nomination.
as for Trump, like him or not: think most Americans want to return to normality? Could be right, but he still draws the largest crowds of candidate.
I wonder how many of those at Trump's rallies are there just for the show. Trump puts on the show and they are the studio radiance. Kind of like WWE and they get to stomp and cheer for the good guys and boo for the bad guys and everyone has a fun evening out. WWE draws huge crowds, but nobody believes that most of America are big fans of it.
I wonder how many of those at Trump's rallies are there just for the show. Trump puts on the show and they are the studio radiance. Kind of like WWE and they get to stomp and cheer for the good guys and boo for the bad guys and everyone has a fun evening out. WWE draws huge crowds, but nobody believes that most of America are big fans of it.
I know lots of Trump supporters and they are rabid and want to go to the rallies. It is hard to go because people wait outside for days to get in. Often there is a huge overflow of people who can't even get into the building. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I know lots of Trump supporters and they are rabid and want to go to the rallies. It is hard to go because people wait outside for days to get in. Often there is a huge overflow of people who can't even get into the building. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Usually those on the Far edges of both political parties are rabid about their support which is why you see those big rallies but the majority of Americans do not attend political rallies as a whole.
Usually those on the Far edges of both political parties are rabid about their support which is why you see those big rallies but the majority of Americans do not attend political rallies as a whole.
I agree. The far edge people on both sides are the ones that are in the bubble as they usually associate with fellow bubble members
In a prospective national contest between Sanders and Trump, I would probably vote... Libertarian. Democrats need to disassociate themselves from the fiscally-radical wing of their party, and to choose a candidate who believes in free-trade, the free exchange of ideas, of labor and of capital - whether between persons, institutions or nations. Democrats need a candidate who recognizes that an increasingly interconnected world is a feature, and not a bug - and that neither inflammatory rhetoric nor hackneyed grandiose ideas for "reform" are going to be either workable or affordable.
In short, what's needed is a candidate who embraces incremental, measured aims - both in means and ends. Such a candidate would attract both mainstream Democrats and Republicans. Such a candidate would be the antidote to radicals and carnival-barkers on both sides. Where is such a candidate?
In a prospective national contest between Sanders and Trump, I would probably vote... Libertarian. Democrats need to disassociate themselves from the fiscally-radical wing of their party, and to choose a candidate who believes in free-trade, the free exchange of ideas, of labor and of capital - whether between persons, institutions or nations. Democrats need a candidate who recognizes that an increasingly interconnected world is a feature, and not a bug - and that neither inflammatory rhetoric nor hackneyed grandiose ideas for "reform" are going to be either workable or affordable.
In short, what's needed is a candidate who embraces incremental, measured aims - both in means and ends. Such a candidate would attract both mainstream Democrats and Republicans. Such a candidate would be the antidote to radicals and carnival-barkers on both sides. Where is such a candidate?
^^^At least we know who to blame if Trump wins in 2020.
BTW, how well did the bolded work out for the Democratic candidate in the 2016 election?
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