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Old 06-23-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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Poor Democrats.


They are such a lost cause these days, they can't even figure out how to defeat a crazed Soviet.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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One of the sad things is that the party used to brag about having a "broad tent." I don't think anyone can make that argument with a straight face. And, in fairness, you can't argue that for the GOP, as well. We used to have conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. Those days are long gone. That's a bad thing. If progressives and conservatives truly have the best ideas, they can hold up against some dissent within each party. I find it funny that Republicans lament the state of freedom of speech on college campuses (as do I) and the lack of "viewpoint diversity," but then out of the other sides of their mouths lament "RINOs" - Republicans who don't fit their conception of Republicanism.

Weak people unsure of the strength of their ideas hate dissent. It's no surprise that both parties were stronger when each had a broader spectrum of factions and philosophies within the parties. Now Dems can't win in rural areas and the South, generally speaking, and Republicans can't win in major population centers, generally speaking.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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You think a Medicare For All type plan would've held on to those institutions for the Dems?
Yes. And even if it didn't we are way ahead today.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Your read on what was possible is delusional.
No, your excuses for why it wasn't possible is what is sad. The (D)'s were afraid of losing the corporate donations by doing the right thing.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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The ACA would have been a heck of a lot better with a public option...with a 60 vote Majority in the Senate, it's inexcusable that it didn't have a public option. That would have helped us keep the Senate and House as well as the whole country would have been covered. It also would have forced Insurance Companies to compete much harder therefore keeping their rates in check. So, no one should ever say the ACA was the best the Dems could do at that time...it's the best their corporate master would allow.
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