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Old 07-12-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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Where's the leftist outrage? Joe Biden has had all his senate records for 45 years sealed from public view.



Delaware university has SEALED Joe Biden's Senate records for as long as he is in 'public life' – making it difficult to unearth his correspondence with Senate's southern bloc
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What should we be outraged over?

Retired Senators often bequeath the private records to a university after retirement. The records are historical.

The U of Delaware probably sealed them on their own and Biden never even knew about it after Biden decided to run.

Remember that it is a university library, not a public library. Their staff is probably too small to handle tons of requests for file searches in those records, and they don't want the school to get in the middle of a political race. So they sealed them until either Biden quits or until he's no longer politically active.

No big deal. Wharton did the same with Trump's records. They aren't public property. And neither are Biden's. The records now belong to the U of Delaware. Every school that keeps similar records always restricts them, as they are intended only for historical data and other historical purposes. Anyone who wants to see them has to apply, and if the person has no qualifications, they are denied.

It's the same for you and me. Private records typically remain private for us all.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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What should we be outraged over?

Retired Senators often bequeath the private records to a university after retirement. The records are historical.

The U of Delaware probably sealed them on their own and Biden never even knew about it after Biden decided to run.

Remember that it is a university library, not a public library. Their staff is probably too small to handle tons of requests for file searches in those records, and they don't want the school to get in the middle of a political race. So they sealed them until either Biden quits or until he's no longer politically active.

No big deal. Wharton did the same with Trump's records. They aren't public property. And neither are Biden's. The records now belong to the U of Delaware. Every school that keeps similar records always restricts them, as they are intended only for historical data and other historical purposes. Anyone who wants to see them has to apply, and if the person has no qualifications, they are denied.

It's the same for you and me. Private records typically remain private for us all.
Actually-no they didn't. The records sealed by Warton were Trump's private business at the university-grades, transcripts, etc. What U of D is "sealing" are Biden's records in public life while he was in the senate. An entirely different matter. These should be public record and subject to FOIA rules-same as official WH correspondence.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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What should we be outraged over?

Retired Senators often bequeath the private records to a university after retirement. The records are historical.

The U of Delaware probably sealed them on their own and Biden never even knew about it after Biden decided to run.

Remember that it is a university library, not a public library. Their staff is probably too small to handle tons of requests for file searches in those records, and they don't want the school to get in the middle of a political race. So they sealed them until either Biden quits or until he's no longer politically active.

No big deal. Wharton did the same with Trump's records. They aren't public property. And neither are Biden's. The records now belong to the U of Delaware. Every school that keeps similar records always restricts them, as they are intended only for historical data and other historical purposes. Anyone who wants to see them has to apply, and if the person has no qualifications, they are denied.

It's the same for you and me. Private records typically remain private for us all.
Are you freakin kidding me? It says 'SENATE records', not 'private records'. May be for the same reason that Barack Obama's documents won't be in his 'Presidential' library.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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Actually-no they didn't. The records sealed by Warton were Trump's private business at the university-grades, transcripts, etc. What U of D is "sealing" are Biden's records in public life while he was in the senate. An entirely different matter. These should be public record and subject to FOIA rules-same as official WH correspondence.
Don't worry. Tom Fitton will get them.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Actually-no they didn't. The records sealed by Warton were Trump's private business at the university-grades, transcripts, etc. What U of D is "sealing" are Biden's records in public life while he was in the senate. An entirely different matter. These should be public record and subject to FOIA rules-same as official WH correspondence.
No. There's no difference at all.

The Senate floor records and committee meetings records are all public unless something is declared secret before proceedings begin. Anyone can look them up at the Library of Congress.

But the Senators' office records; their journals, time keepers, appointments, etc. are all private. None go to the Library of Congress. They are the Senators' private property.

Either way, the University can seal them if they desire because, just like Trump's records, they're private property. Once Biden donated them, they belonged to the university. Wharton generated Trump's records, so it always owned them.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Guess they are under audit.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:55 AM
 
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What should we be outraged over?

Retired Senators often bequeath the private records to a university after retirement. The records are historical.

The U of Delaware probably sealed them on their own and Biden never even knew about it after Biden decided to run.

Remember that it is a university library, not a public library. Their staff is probably too small to handle tons of requests for file searches in those records, and they don't want the school to get in the middle of a political race. So they sealed them until either Biden quits or until he's no longer politically active.

No big deal. Wharton did the same with Trump's records. They aren't public property. And neither are Biden's. The records now belong to the U of Delaware. Every school that keeps similar records always restricts them, as they are intended only for historical data and other historical purposes. Anyone who wants to see them has to apply, and if the person has no qualifications, they are denied.

It's the same for you and me. Private records typically remain private for us all.
Firstly, as the library of a public university (the University of Delaware), yes the library is a public library.

Secondly, it does make you wonder what he is trying to hide, especially given some of his recent comments about working with segregationist, racist Democrat senators.

Thirdly, there is no comparison with Wharton and Trump's records as those are the records of a then-private citizen, whereas Biden's papers are all concerning his official duties and life as a member of Congress.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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No. There's no difference at all.

The Senate floor records and committee meetings records are all public unless something is declared secret before proceedings begin. Anyone can look them up at the Library of Congress.

But the Senators' office records; their journals, time keepers, appointments, etc. are all private. None go to the Library of Congress. They are the Senators' private property.

Either way, the University can seal them if they desire because, just like Trump's records, they're private property. Once Biden donated them, they belonged to the university. Wharton generated Trump's records, so it always owned them.
Trump could have and can order Wharton to release them on his own. Biden can do the same with his papers.

Yes, there is a HUGE difference between the grades of a private citizen and the papers of a sitting US Senator detailing his work on behalf of the people of Delaware and the United States.
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:05 PM
 
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Trump could have and can order Wharton to release them on his own. Biden can do the same with his papers.

Yes, there is a HUGE difference between the grades of a private citizen and the papers of a sitting US Senator detailing his work on behalf of the people of Delaware and the United States.
Biden's private papers are exactly that- private. They may have something to do with his job, or not, but they are still private.

And once they were donated to the university, they became university property.

So there's no difference, despite what you think. Private is private, and that's all it is.
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