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View Poll Results: Who's gonna win in 2020?
Trump 92 75.41%
Not Trump 30 24.59%
Voters: 122. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-24-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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Think the only candidate to win against President Trump iat this current moment is Representative Klobouchar with a moderate VP Choice such as Representative Anthony G. Brown.
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Old 07-24-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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I think Biden will win the Democratic nomination for President and is likely going to win the states Clinton won plus Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and possibly Georgia, Texas, and/or Arizona.

Biden will win the votes of Obama/Trump rural white working-class voters, he will do better than Hillary Clinton with non-white, college educated, and suburban voters, and he will win a majority of independent voters. I even think Biden will do better than Hillary with female voters, particularly college-educated female voters. Biden is leading in the polls when some think the economy is doing well, imagine when the economy is weak which it likely will be by the 2020 election.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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Some self serving arse hat.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I won’t be able to handle it if Trump wins again, I’ll find the nearest bridge!!!
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I won’t be able to handle it if Trump wins again, I’ll find the nearest bridge!!!
It won't matter too much. Politics are much the same no matter whose in charge.

Seeking state interests in economics (consumption), military, and diplomatic goals will continue regardless of who is president.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: WY
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I think Biden will win the Democratic nomination for President and is likely going to win the states Clinton won plus Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and possibly Georgia, Texas, and/or Arizona.

Biden will win the votes of Obama/Trump rural white working-class voters, he will do better than Hillary Clinton with non-white, college educated, and suburban voters, and he will win a majority of independent voters. I even think Biden will do better than Hillary with female voters, particularly college-educated female voters. Biden is leading in the polls when some think the economy is doing well, imagine when the economy is weak which it likely will be by the 2020 election.
Re: Biden (and some of the other potential candidates)
https://video.foxnews.com/v/60612440...#sp=show-clips

Warren Vs Trump.

Trump for the win.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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I think Biden will win the Democratic nomination for President and is likely going to win the states Clinton won plus Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and possibly Georgia, Texas, and/or Arizona.

Biden will win the votes of Obama/Trump rural white working-class voters, he will do better than Hillary Clinton with non-white, college educated, and suburban voters, and he will win a majority of independent voters. I even think Biden will do better than Hillary with female voters, particularly college-educated female voters. Biden is leading in the polls when some think the economy is doing well, imagine when the economy is weak which it likely will be by the 2020 election.
Florida is gone and Georgia has no shot. Believe me. I live there and can tell you the state is a long way from going red in a presidential election. I wouldn’t disagree with you on any of the others in the right scenario. Florida Trump simply has too much Venezuelan and Cuban support. Now I might agree that with a more moderate candidate like Biden that vote might not go as heavily for Trump as it would with someone who is more on the socialist spectrum but I’m still not sure it’s enough. Florida seems to be trending redder the last few years
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Old 07-24-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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It won't matter too much. Politics are much the same no matter whose in charge.

Seeking state interests in economics (consumption), military, and diplomatic goals will continue regardless of who is president.
Winterfall, should we lose our capitalist system altogether and go completely socialist or even communist?
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Old 07-24-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Depends on who is nominated. I think Buttigieg would blow out Trump, but it would be close with Kamala or Bernie. Asians, Hispanics, African Americans, and urban whites will come out big against Trump. I guess it all depends on the blue collar white vote in the Midwest and Florida.

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Old 07-24-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Winterfall, should we lose our capitalist system altogether and go completely socialist or even communist?
No. I don't think so. I think we should look at the problems with our society, what type of society we want, and pursue policies that promotes that regardless of ideological origins.

For me capitalism is a negative system because it allows finance and speculation to control price management, and dilutes non-efficient capital, while off shoring the rest.

That's bad in my opinion because our social well being is connected to many things that are non-efficient. Small stores, non-industrial fishing, ice cream trucks, and other community and cultural forward industries are killed.

It also expands mass migration which makes the economy global creating a diminutive affect on its citizens as they don't feel a sense of connection with others.

And the well being of others or at least a sense of stability is destroyed by hyper-competitiveness. And that is more related to the labor market; corporations often work cooperatively to keep prices from dropping below production costs/overhead to keep companies profitable.

The one benefit from our model of capitalism is cheap consumer goods, but that is not always a good thing. If people have too many options they can suffer from gluttony, health standards (and costs) can go down, and a lot of the more limited economic activities that double as social connections for people lose out.

I think it would be better if we accept a lower standard of living when it comes to consumer goods. There are many alternatives to TVs for entertainment, washing machines for cleaning (cloth lines), and cars. Limiting quantity can also balance out the price/accessibility consequence of having less corporate supply chains.
Added bonus is our economy will be less reliant on consumer spending and environmental costs will be lessened.

Right now tax revenue is sourced from consumer spending, politicians by consequence invest in business and jobs that promote that sustained growth. It causes political corruption and excessive power by corporations. In a way we are dependent on them and they keep moving society further to a centralized corporate state where everyone is living in a few large metropolitan areas with traffic and social isolation.

I don't agree with Liberals that say tax them and fund welfare, at that just increases the lower class dependency on corporate wealth and can lead to drug abuse or other negative factors on our social well-being.

Socialism in totality is also negative but for different reasons. When all economic activity is cooperative it takes away from independent contribution to the economy and can promote excessive bandwagoning by those who are overly greedy.

I'm fine with cooperative or worker-owned management for large scale industry like factories , etc. but I also want to minimize the contribution of large scale industry on our society.

But socialism in large scale industry (state/community/worker ownership) is better than private management by shareholders and corporate executives. Mainly in the matters of public goods like power lines, irrigation system, and health insurance.

But I'm also not for medicare for all. I hate private insurers and don't think they should exist, but in terms of small cases like a cold or a fever, doctors and patients should be able to negotiate a price (like a market economy).

Insurance is for more extreme expensive cases.


Communism is probably the closest of where a lie. I'm probably a hybrid-Communism since I'm for private/personal ownership of property. But the problem comes in over development.

A way to limit that while keeping the economy healthy is community land trusts: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/commu...rdable-housing
https://slate.com/business/2016/01/b...ing-today.html

That way people still own their home, but they can't rent it off, mortgage it, or have it speculated on or over developed for quick money. It means that accumulation of wealth can't be forced, and homeowners/families are the drivers of the economy and no wealth funds.

But these are just ideas, I'm open to different ones I haven't thought of.
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