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This is not a small difference -- independents are easily the largest voting group in America. We may be looking at a turning point where the Independent plurality just might put an Independent in office.*
*As most here know, Bernie runs temporarily as a "D" for president but while in office he serves as an "I".
Without reading every post in the thread, your premise is so off the rails it’s ridiculous.
I’m an independent who left the Republican Party because they went off the rails in my opinion. Just because someone puts an “I” after their name doesn’t mean they automatically get my vote. Bernie is a selfish, phony, opportunistic socialist that doesn’t have the courage to run as an independent. He has to pretend to be a Democrat.
I wouldn’t vote for him if my life depended on it. I guarantee you that I’m not alone.
Bernie is a selfish, phony, opportunistic socialist that doesn’t have the courage to run as an independent. He has to pretend to be a Democrat.
He caucuses with the Democrats and votes along party line with them. In the end, the DNC allowed for him to be in.
The Democrats would lose in either scenario. Say it's Trump (R) vs. Buttigieg (D) vs. Sanders (I). Sanders and Buttigieg would have more cross over vote. Really wouldn't make the Democrats win the Presidency with him off as an Independent.
However, moderate Democrat Senators, Congressmen, Governors in non blue districts or states, who will be running for local elections might not want to have the association to Bernie Sanders, if he is on the top of the ticket for the Democrats.
I believe Klobuchar is the best candidate for the Democrats, but she is stuck in second gear and overlooked. I hope she is considered as a running mate if it's Biden or Bloomberg, or if Sanders is willing to reach out to the Moderates with her. (I don't think Buttigieg would choose her though).
He caucuses with the Democrats and votes along party line with them. In the end, they allowed him in, and what difference would it make?
The Democrats would lose in either scenario. Say it's Trump (R) vs. Buttigieg (D) vs. Sanders (I). Sanders and Buttigieg would have more cross over vote. Really wouldn't make the Democrats win with him off as an Independent.
Yes I agree. The OP was saying that Sanders would win because he put an (I) after his name. The premise was that since independents are the largest number of voters, all or most of independents would vote for him. That’s so ridiculous it’s laughable.
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One of Trump’s college professors, William T. Kelley, said that Trump was the dumbest student he ever had.
Not this again
This had been discussed (and debunked for lack of proof) at one point two or three years ago.
No, William T. Kelley did not say, as far as any records show. There is no actual proof of Kelley, himself, saying it. All you have is some guy, not Kelley, making a baseless claim that Kelley had said it.
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>>> I can see a scenario where they use some chicanery( they already have in Iowa so that's a safe bet) to make Pete B. the front runner and run him. Or they make Pete B. run well enough to be forced on Bernie as the VP. THEN they force Bernie out of office. Attack his health, pay him off, blackmail him or just bump him off. Then Pete B. becomes the first openly gay POTUS they want so badly. Cory Booker was a hopeful, but was just too much of a dimwit and goof with too much baggage. All this is if Trump doesn't win re election which looks to be unlikely. Trump's almost a lock to win.
Bernie has a yellow streak which showed through when he allowed the DNC to screw him over and push him around. He's also less than honest when it comes to financial wheeling and dealing with his payoff by the DNC and his wife's corruption in her job. But Pete B. looks to be another puppet and swampling.
Maybe this is to give Pete b. some wow factor for 2024. Warren, Biden, Bernie, Hillary, Bloomberg, they'll all be too old to run then.
I wouldn't doubt that he had lost a lot of supporters, permanently, when he rolled over and let himself be screwed.
"pay him off"
Yeah. His new car, that he bought after the dnc screwed him, is almost 4 years old, he may need a new one.
Bernie did as well as he did in 2016 in IA because people didn’t like Hillary, not because they were loyal to his cause per se. That’s why half the people who voted for him there in 2016 didn’t vote for him in 2020. So now he/his supporters/the media are using the same old trick and trying to vilify the opposition as part of the corrupt establishment. It’s pretty easy to see through. Anything that doesn’t go his way will be seen as a reflection of a rigged system. All smoke and mirrors to get the easily manipulated to overlook the extreme, exorbitant, immoderate policies that he stands for.
That will all come to a screeching halt if and when he gets the nomination. He’s been playing the victim-of-the-establishment card since 2015 and it’s served him well. That goes away as soon as he wins the nomination. After that, it’s going to be an all-out assault by the Trump campaign/Republicans who frankly don’t care and don’t need to care what the thought police / AOC crowd / socialists / extremists think, that’s why they want him to be the nominee more than anyone else.
This is not a small difference -- independents are easily the largest voting group in America. We may be looking at a turning point where the Independent plurality just might put an Independent in office.*
*As most here know, Bernie runs temporarily as a "D" for president but while in office he serves as an "I".
No personal offense, but if you believe half of the things you post, you are not in touch with the reality of what middle America stands for.
This is a center-right country, and while an "independent" minded person can win the presidential election running as an (R or D), there is no way someone like Sanders can win.
He is practically a communist, and while people (myself included) appreciate his candor at times, his hard left views will not resonate with a majority of Americans.
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