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And Bernie Sanders' campaign is squealing just like they did in 2016 that the election is being "stolen" from them.
Wrong. No one in the Sanders campaign is saying anything about the Iowa caucus being stolen from them. Some of his overzealous followers, not in the campaign might be saying it, but his campaign is not.
Sanders said that he won the popular vote by a few thousand and acknowledged he basically was in a tie with Buttigieg.
Call it a draw. A couple tenths is insignificant in a state with an insignificant share of the delegates. It is the big picture. Buttigieg won in the sense that he tied big favorite Sanders and beat Biden like a drum for the moderate lane. On to New Hampshire! Buttigieg will probably lose there by a couple points but, once again, he will be the real "winner". If he keeps it up eventually the moderate states will take over the voting and Bloomberg may not have the opportunity to horn in. There's something happening here. Pay attention.
That's what I mentioned in another thread, time to move on already. Heck, Bill Clinton finished 4th in Iowa, with only 3% of the vote in 1992 and we all know how that ended up for him!
Wrong. No one in the Sanders campaign is saying anything about the Iowa caucus being stolen from them. Some of his overzealous followers, not in the campaign might be saying it, but his campaign is not.
Sanders said that he won the popular vote by a few thousand and acknowledged he basically was in a tie with Buttigieg.
I'll come right out and say it then.
If after hearing about the popular vote for 3+ years and all of the efforts to change it and how it was unfair, if the DNC isn't using popular vote then it would be a serious black eye.
And no, it wasn't just one democrat here or there, it was a party wide complaint with a push to change it with a number of states passing new laws.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, it's the DNC's show. They could decide it based upon who is shortest or a game of cornhole if they want. I'm just saying that it would look awful.
That's what I mentioned in another thread, time to move on already. Heck, Bill Clinton finished 4th in Iowa, with only 3% of the vote in 1992 and we all know how that ended up for him!
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I'll come right out and say it then.
If after hearing about the popular vote for 3+ years and all of the efforts to change it and how it was unfair, if the DNC isn't using popular vote then it would be a serious black eye.
And no, it wasn't just one democrat here or there, it was a party wide complaint with a push to change it with a number of states passing new laws.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, it's the DNC's show. They could decide it based upon who is shortest or a game of cornhole if they want. I'm just saying that it would look awful.
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Call it a draw. A couple tenths is insignificant in a state with an insignificant share of the delegates. It is the big picture. Buttigieg won in the sense that he tied big favorite Sanders and beat Biden like a drum for the moderate lane. On to New Hampshire! Buttigieg will probably lose there by a couple points but, once again, he will be the real "winner". If he keeps it up eventually the moderate states will take over the voting and Bloomberg may not have the opportunity to horn in. There's something happening here. Pay attention.
No, Pete did not win the SDEs, false data still has been responded to by the state party:
Bernie won the popular vote by 6000 more and he lost the delegate count because some precincts are "worth" more... Easy way to scam an election when someones vote is worth less... Who does it hurt? One person, Bernie...
That's what I mentioned in another thread, time to move on already. Heck, Bill Clinton finished 4th in Iowa, with only 3% of the vote in 1992 and we all know how that ended up for him!
Nobody knew who Bill Clinton was in 1992. Sanders, Warren and Biden are all well well known. And for a no-name mayor to beat them all says they are all pretty flawed candidates in many ways. A Soviet, Pocahontas, and the barely lucid Biden. Really?
Yet the DNC & Sanders are still trying to deny Buttigieg his front runner status. The establishment is still giving Biden every free pass instead of calling him out for such a horrid loss. And it's clear that Bernie is going to torture the party all the way to the end, just like last time.
Nobody knew who Bill Clinton was in 1992. Sanders, Warren and Biden are all well well known. And for a no-name mayor to beat them all says they are all pretty flawed candidates in many ways. A Soviet, Pocahontas, and the barely lucid Biden. Really?
Yet the DNC & Sanders are still trying to deny Buttigieg his front runner status. The establishment is still giving Biden every free pass instead of calling him out for such a horrid loss. And it's clear that Bernie is going to torture the party all the way to the end, just like last time.
Not sure why either the DNC or Sanders has to embrace Buttigieg as the front runner.
Buttigieg won Iowa by a small margin, but it's small potatoes and the winner of that caucus doesn't equate to being the front-runner.
If Bernie does torture the party, well it's the party's problem. The party allowed him to run as a Democrat. i.e. the mistake would have been made at the DNC level. Bernie is just doing what he is allowed to do. Similarly, Bloomberg is doing what he wants to do, and might be the one causing more havoc to the existing candidates. The DNC is changed the provisions to help Bloomberg get in the debates.
Wrong. No one in the Sanders campaign is saying anything about the Iowa caucus being stolen from them. Some of his overzealous followers, not in the campaign might be saying it, but his campaign is not.
Sanders said that he won the popular vote by a few thousand and acknowledged he basically was in a tie with Buttigieg.
It's fun to watch the Chaos in the Democrat Party and how they will all try to screw each other.
It's only just now starting.
That's all.
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