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Old 02-14-2020, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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not with any unions


we teamsters fought long and hard to get good heath insurance....no way we are giving it up for m4a
This is what I have seen too, as an ex-union rep. Union workers tend to have better than average health care plans. Why would they wish to give that up? A few might, based on ideological impetus, but most would not.
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No candidate has more union member support than Sanders. Not even close.
Sanders is losing union support hand over fist, since he adopted warrens stance on eliminating all private health insurance

teamsters will not support that socialist
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:36 PM
 
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So despite harry reid and CAP were working to turn Nevada against bernie behind the scene their own members are in revolt.

Just watch the media, no one is as hated by the establishment than Bernie. It makes my support for him all the more strong.
This is fake. Unions provide healthcare, retirement, 401's and so on.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:51 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Wouldn’t you rather have those benefits be translated into higher wages? And take away one of the tools used against unions and their strikes?
Why do you assume employers won't be taxed for M4A?
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Why do you assume employers won't be taxed for M4A?
Yes they would be, but there will still be a lot of money left over that could go to increasing wages.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downl...ll?inline=file

In 2016, employers paid an average of $12,865 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four who makes $50,000 a year. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $3,750 – a savings of more than $9,000 a year for that employee.
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:49 AM
 
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Sanders is losing union support hand over fist, since he adopted warrens stance on eliminating all private health insurance

teamsters will not support that socialist
No he is not losing union support hand over fist. You don't speak for all teamsters. Unions all over the world have been at the forefront when it comes to fighting for universal health care to strengthening the bargaining power of the workers.
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Old 02-15-2020, 05:18 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes they would be, but there will still be a lot of money left over that could go to increasing wages.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downl...ll?inline=file
How so? You're not considering all the extra taxes that would impact both employers and employees. Your math below is wrong. It leaves out most of the tax hikes on employers and the tax hike on employees. Read this link and rework the math:

https://www.atr.org/list-tax-hikes-s...e-all-plan?amp

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In 2016, employers paid an average of $12,865 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four who makes $50,000 a year. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $3,750 – a savings of more than $9,000 a year for that employee.
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Old 02-15-2020, 05:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No he is not losing union support hand over fist. You don't speak for all teamsters. Unions all over the world have been at the forefront when it comes to fighting for universal health care to strengthening the bargaining power of the workers.
Like I said in the other thread... M4A would give union members a big demotion to being just one of 330 million people all trying to access the same level of health care when they already have excellent priority health care now. What same person would opt for the demotion?

Sorry, but you're not going to be able to polish the M4A turd enough to win union votes for Bernie.
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