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Old 02-14-2020, 09:44 PM
 
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Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats are better skilled at subverting popular will, says Jonathan Chait.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...ders-2020.html

Why did Trump happen? Because Republicans were incompetent.

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Republicans were equally terrified of nominating Trump in 2016 (who, despite all his liabilities, wound up squeaking out an improbable win, with assists from the Electoral College, the FBI, and Russian intelligence). Yet his rivals attacked each other in a bid to be the last non-Trump standing, and the party failed to organize an effective and unified opposition. Trump prevailed and showed just how hapless the party is.
A political party bending to the will of voters is hapless, says Jonathan Chait of New York magazine.

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Clearly, The Party Decides should not be taken as an iron law of history. Indeed, its authors proceeded to conclude that recent changes to the system “have made it easier for factional candidates and outsiders to challenge elite control of nominations.”
The horror.

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At the same time, we should consider the possibility that the party’s power, while less absolute than we thought before Trump, is not negligible.
So there's that to hang your hat on.

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People often assume the thing that happened most recently will keep happening. Analysts (including me) dismissed Trump’s chances in 2016 because we overlearned the lesson of 2012. Maybe we’re overestimating Bernie’s populist insurgency in 2020 because we’re overlearning the lesson of 2016.
I think the real lesson of 2016 was that the party that allowed democracy to bubble up won the election. Does Jonathan Chait want to win the election of 2020? Or is he more interested in maintaining his intraparty prerogatives, even if it means losing?

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Nobody can be sure how the primary will go. A Democratic version of Trump’s long, slow bludgeoning of the party elite is certainly one very possible outcome. It is not destiny.
The Never Bernie manifesto. Do Democrats have a date with destiny?
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:33 PM
 
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Oh Im voting 10x harder for him. Chinese folks are gonna feel the tip of my pen pressing onto the paper...
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:37 PM
 
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Bernie won't get the nom. Moderates won't vote for him. So then Trump wins just like last time when you guys stayed home because you wouldn't vote for Hillary.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Bernie won't get the nom. Moderates won't vote for him. So then Trump wins just like last time when you guys stayed home because you wouldn't vote for Hillary.
I’d have to agree with you. Bernie or bust voters (and there’s a lot of them) will not support any other Democratic candidate. Add that with independent and Democratic moderates and it’s 2nd term for Trump.

Democratic Party is a mess.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Bernie isn't a mirror image of Trump. Bernie has real integrity, for one thing. He's not an extremist so much as most Americans have been lulled to accept hard right politics their whole lives.


The only people in the Democratic Party who are seriously shocked by the prospects of a Bernie presidency are the Clintonian elites that think sucking up to Big Business and mouthing their talking points are a winning strategy because it makes for $$$ contributions to their political campaigns.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Bernie isn't a mirror image of Trump. Bernie has real integrity, for one thing. He's not an extremist so much as most Americans have been lulled to accept hard right politics their whole lives.


The only people in the Democratic Party who are seriously shocked by the prospects of a Bernie presidency are the Clintonian elites that think sucking up to Big Business and mouthing their talking points are a winning strategy because it makes for $$$ contributions to their political campaigns.
Bernie has integrity....bs

Bernie is bought and sold
sanders wife is crooked, and so is he

sanders wife bankrupted Burlington College by stealing their money

sanders is a communist... as in communism for the little people, but all the money for him
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It's too bad that neither party can find a decent candidate for the country to get behind. But it's been a long time since that happened, not since Reagan.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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It's too bad that neither party can find a decent candidate for the country to get behind. But it's been a long time since that happened, not since Reagan.

Reagan was an airhead that packed his administration with crooks and cronies.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Reagan was an airhead that packed his administration with crooks and cronies.
and sanders, his wife, and daughter are crooks
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:21 AM
 
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It's too bad that neither party can find a decent candidate for the country to get behind. But it's been a long time since that happened, not since Reagan.
Ray-gun the guy who began the destruction of the middle class. Terrific.

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Reaganomics killed America's middle class
This country's fate was sealed when our government slashed taxes on the rich back in 1980


https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/rea...class_partner/
After almost half a century of horrific trickle down voodoo economics, it's difficult to fathom how some folks are still singing this guys praises.
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