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04-23-2008, 06:35 AM
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04-23-2008, 06:41 AM
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Well, given Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, I suspect that the most reasonable course of action would be to split the delegates evenly between both candidates or not seat them at all.
To award the delegates as they stand currently, given that both MI and FL choseto disregard the DNC, and the candidates both expressed their support of not seating the delegates and both agreed not to campaign in the states would be undemocratic, and quite frankly, insane.
Now, tell me, how many times must we go over this?
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04-23-2008, 06:58 AM
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Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by j33
Well, given Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, I suspect that the most reasonable course of action would be to split the delegates evenly between both candidates or not seat them at all.
To award the delegates as they stand currently, given that both MI and FL choseto disregard the DNC, and the candidates both expressed their support of not seating the delegates and both agreed not to campaign in the states would be undemocratic, and quite frankly, insane.
Now, tell me, how many times must we go over this?
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Thanks for this post. My God, I am so sick of these Hillary supporters and their meaningless sense of desperation over MI and FL. Those 2 states DON'T MATTER. Who knows what would've happened in either state if Obama had campaigned in them or even been on the ballot in MI. He cut Hillary's 25% lead in PA to 9.4% in 2 weeks! Imagine what he could've accomplished in MI. MI is going Dem in the GE anyways.
FL, I'm skeptical of because they always seem to pick the wrong candidate and they don't know how to collect and tally votes correctly.  Better they sit this one out. They'll have their chance to pick the wrong candidate YET AGAIN in the GE when they are sucked in by McCain. |
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04-23-2008, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by j33
Well, given Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, I suspect that the most reasonable course of action would be to split the delegates evenly between both candidates or not seat them at all.
To award the delegates as they stand currently, given that both MI and FL choseto disregard the DNC, and the candidates both expressed their support of not seating the delegates and both agreed not to campaign in the states would be undemocratic, and quite frankly, insane.
Now, tell me, how many times must we go over this?
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Clinton did hold a big fundraiser in FL just before the election there so she was in the State. At the beginning the Democrats should have removed all names off the ballot in these two states. All voter in both States new that their vote would not count. So some of the blame has to be given to the Democratic Party.
I have to tell you Clinton would not even be going there if she was not behind. Let us too remember how the democrat nominee is chosen. Delegates. Not popular votes. Over the coarse of this campaign Clinton has tried hard to move the goal post. Rules are in place for this very reason. If she doesn't come out of this race with more delegates then she isn't going to be the Nominee. Simply as that. She tries to make this an issue all the time.
Hillary follow the rules and if you win you win if you lose you lose. The rest is not important. She has been with the Democratic Party long enough to know this. So what she is doing is misleading by stating all the others when she knows its the delegates that manner. And I think the SD's will go with the person that has followed the rules and has the most delegates at the end of this in June. They will not go against the people's vote if they want to win this election in November.
These polls that they take regarding Hillary's people not voting for Obama or Obama's people not voting for Hillary is stupid. The only way this would come into play is if the SD's give this to Clinton if Obama is in the lead at the end. I don't think this will happen they can not be that stupid. |
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04-23-2008, 07:13 AM
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why don't vote again in both states?
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04-23-2008, 07:14 AM
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Hillary will fight tooth and nail to have Florida added to her delegates while splitting the MI delegates evenly.
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04-23-2008, 07:14 AM
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why don't vote again in both states?
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That was suggested, but both states rejected it due to the cost of funding a new election. |
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04-23-2008, 07:17 AM
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Doesnt matter.. Popular vote does not elect the president. |
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04-23-2008, 07:27 AM
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Hope. Hope they go away. It's amazing to see this change we can believe in translated into disenfranchising the voters of two states.
But this is one reason Hillary's stayed in. Will the supers vote based on the popular vote of the country -- which Hillary is currently winning. |
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04-23-2008, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LNTT_Vacationer
Hope. Hope they go away. It's amazing to see this change we can believe in translated into disenfranchising the voters of two states.
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What on earth are you talking about? The states and the party, and the candidates agreed on this course of action, and are now clucking on about it like it was a surprise.
That either candidate is now suddenly deciding that what they agreed to is now no longer the case is disingenuous. Is it not? If not, I'd be curious to hear your argument as to why not. What you presented above what not an argument as to why not. |
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