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Old 05-20-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
They polled MORE dems then repubs. So you expect a different "result"?
What percentage of Dems vs Republicans polled would you suggest, for it to be a fair poll?

The poll asked registered voters, and here is the current Florida voter registration, by party

Rep 4,832,285 - 35%
Dem
5,115,768 - 37%
Other/Non Party 3,782,710 - 28%

The Poll asked 37% Dem, 35% Rep, 28% other, which exactly matches registered voters in Florida.

Quick Enough: What do you suggest is a better ratio of Dems/Reps to poll, for a poll of Registered Voters (not likely voters) in Florida?

Florida Voter Registration link:
https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/...nty-and-party/

The UNF Poll link:
https://www.unf.edu/uploadedFiles/aa...9%20Survey.pdf

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Old 05-20-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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They polled MORE dems then repubs. So you expect a different "result"?
For the record, it was 37% Democrat, 35% Republican and 28% Independent. So while your statement is true, your conclusion is false.

2% difference in who was polled. 6% point difference in their preference in the state. And there is the distinct possibility that 37 to 35 is the accurate representation of Florida voters. For whatever it is worth, Florida exit polls had Republicans 1% higher in turn-out than Democrats. And Trump won Florida by 1%. So that exit poll might be a decent representation of 2016. I can't say this poll is the same.

But the premise that the poll is bad because the random sample has more Democrats than Republicans is bogus. If it was 36/36 for party affiliation, maybe Trump gains a point and Biden is up by 5.
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Old 05-20-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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and 3,000,000 more people did show up to vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump.
actually it was 2.8 million, and ONLY because of commifornia




California is the ONLY reason hitlery got the popular vote... and hitlery went to California (which was a sure-win) more times than any of the other states combined.... trump won 30 states..ie 3/5ths of the country..... but the fascist liberals say screw the MAJORITY of the country

look at the numbers
popular vote difference 2.8 million
Hillary won California BY 4.5 million votes

so the FACT is that of the 49 states, trump (as much as I hate him), took the popular vote, and if not for Kommiefornia, hitlery would NOT have taken the popular vote




if SHE had WON California by a closer amount (like her wins nationwide) like only 1.3 million votes (and that is not really close, but certainly closer than 4.5 million votes) trumpo would have taken the popular vote too




last I check PEOPLE in the other 49 states (other than fruity left cali)voted

she got 48%, trump 47%, and 5%to the 'others'


and the FACT is that Hillary only got 48% of the vote...which means 52% voted not for her
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Old 05-20-2020, 11:47 AM
 
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popular vote difference 2.8 million
Hillary won California BY 4.5 million votes

so the FACT is that of the 49 states, trump (as much as I hate him), took the popular vote, and if not for Kommiefornia, hitlery would NOT have taken the popular vote
Not sure what your point is. Are Californians Americans or not? It is easy to play with numbers by just disregarding what you don't like. Let's play a game. You take away 4M votes in California, but in trade, I take away just 79,000 voters from anywhere I want.

Observe:
If we took away 11,700 voters in MI, Clinton wins 16 EV there.
If we took away 23,000 voters in WI, Clinton wins 10 EV there.
If we took away 45,000 voters in PA, Clinton win 20 EV there.

Clinton wins 278-260.

However, those 4M Californians did vote. And those 79,000 Trump supporters in MI, WI and PA voted. Sadly, those 79,000 Trump supporters in those 3 states are worth more than 4M Californian voters.
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Old 05-20-2020, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Not sure what your point is. Are Californians Americans or not? It is easy to play with numbers by just disregarding what you don't like. Let's play a game. You take away 4M votes in California, but in trade, I take away just 79,000 voters from anywhere I want.

Observe:
If we took away 11,700 voters in MI, Clinton wins 16 EV there.
If we took away 23,000 voters in WI, Clinton wins 10 EV there.
If we took away 45,000 voters in PA, Clinton win 20 EV there.

Clinton wins 278-260.

However, those 4M Californians did vote. And those 79,000 Trump supporters in MI, WI and PA voted. Sadly, those 79,000 Trump supporters in those 3 states are worth more than 4M Californian voters.
all depends on how you want to spin it


let's look at some of those states Hillary won


look at Nevada...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 17 counties...Hillary won only 2....trump took 15 counties

look at Colorado ...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 64 counties...Hillary won only 23..... trump took 41 counties

look at Oregon ...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 36 counties...Hillary won only 8..... trump took 28 counties

look at Washington ...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 39 counties...Hillary won only 12..... trump took 27 counties

look at New Mexico...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 33 counties...Hillary won only 14..... trump took 19 counties

look at Minnesota ...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates....but...out of 87 counties...Hillary won only 9..... trump took 78 counties

look at VERY BLUE New York...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates.... but...out of 62 counties... Hillary won only 16..... trump took 46 counties

look at VERY BLUE Maryland...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates.... but...out of 24 counties... Hillary won only 7..... trump took 17 counties

look at Virginia...Hillary won the state (popular vote) and got the electoral delegates.... but...out of 133 counties... Hillary won only 40..... trump took 93 counties


look at Florida (trump won)....9 million people voted...and of that 48.6% said trump over Hillary










California does too dominate...and under the soros popular vote scheme, it would be just that... the through slavery "United Socialist States of California" (USSC), screw the rest of the country






nyc population 8.3 million

Wyoming 544k
Vermont 621k
n. Dakota 640k
Alaska 690k
s. Dakota 821k
Delaware 885k
Montana 974k
Rhode island 1.01 million
Hawaii 1.2 million
Maine 1.3 million

total 7.8 million

10 states combined less than the population of NY CITY

repealing the electoral college would take away any say of the smaller rural states



look at Chicago...ok the population of Chicago (A CITY) is 2.7 million..the entire STATE of Nebraska is 1.8 million

should a city negate a whole state???

should a urban jungle of 2.6 million out weigh and entire state (of 1.8 million) of rural farms producing all the food for the urban jungle...should those 1.8 million not count just because the city of 2.6 million is more welfare babies

look at Phoenix...ok the population of Phoenix (A CITY) is 1.6 million..the entire STATE of Wyoming is 550k million

should a city negate a whole state???

should a urban jungle of 1.6 million out weigh an entire state of rural farms producing all the food for the urban jungle...should those 550k not count just because the city of 1.6 million says so...awfully fascist to think that way




the electoral college is there for a reason...
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Old 05-20-2020, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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They polled MORE dems then repubs. So you expect a different "result"?
The most important question is how many Dems versus Repubs are polled...most polls contain far more Dems than the vote on election day ends up containing which is why they are so far off. This poll was based on registered voters versus likely voters and over polled the cities...both will present an advantage to the Democrat.

p.s. In most cases, I believe they over polls Dems deliberately. When I saw that over 95% of pollsters contributed to Hillary's campaign, I knew Trump was going to win as their polls had been very biased (like this one Op linked)

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Old 05-20-2020, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The most important question is how many Dems versus Repubs are polled...most polls contain far more Dems than the vote on election day ends up containing which is why they are so far off. This poll was based on registered voters versus likely voters and over polled the cities...both will present an advantage to the Democrat.

p.s. In most cases, I believe they over polls Dems deliberately. When I saw that over 95% of pollsters contributed to Hillary's campaign, I knew Trump was going to win as their polls had been very biased (like this one Op linked)
You really need to read Variable's post at the top of the page.

The responses were perfectly representative of Florida's registered voters.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Giving Florida’s aging population, they are probably paying more attention to Trump’s coronavirus response. Unfortunately, that is precisely the area where his weaknesses and lack of qualifications are most glaring.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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and 3,000,000 more people did show up to vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump.
And that matters how?
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Old 05-20-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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Giving Florida’s aging population, they are probably paying more attention to Trump’s coronavirus response. Unfortunately, that is precisely the area where his weaknesses and lack of qualifications are most glaring.
And Florida has done well overall
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