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View Poll Results: Do you support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact?
Yes, I support it. 29 29.00%
No, I don't support it. 71 71.00%
Voters: 100. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-20-2020, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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What are your thoughts on the agreement? Do you support it or not and why?

If you aren't sure what it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact


I personally support it. The reason is pretty simple. Millions of voters are disenfranchised in the current system. Since the electoral college in most states works in a winner-take-all manner, it leaves little incentive for voters of the minority party to go out and vote in solidly blue or red states. This decreases turn out across the board.

It also means that our leaders spend all of their time campaigning in the same 6 or 7 'battleground' states because essentially those ones decide who the president is in the current system.

Another negative aspect of the current system is it strongly discourages a third party candidate. Think of someone like Ross Perot. He received 20 million votes in 1992. That was nearly 19% of the total turnout. He received a whopping 0 electoral votes. 20 million Americans voted and it amounted to basically nothing. The current system is hurting our democracy.
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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This isn't about disenfranchised voters. It's about the left changing the system so they can cheat their way to a win.

It's unconstitutional and will be shot down by the courts.
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:37 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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The current system is hurting our democracy.
Democracy? What democracy? Why? I do not read the feel-good propaganda word "democracy" in the US Constitution, and for very, very good reason.

You want democracy?

Be careful ... be very, very careful ... what you wish for.

Where on Earth is this "democracy"? I never heard of such a thing.

The United States are a collection of semi-sovereign States that have attributed certain powers to a federal government.

Is hurting?

It's been working, more or less, for a long time; longer than any other current political regime on Earth (except perhaps UK which has no written Constitution).

All the best!
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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This isn't about disenfranchised voters. It's about the left changing the system so they can cheat their way to a win.

It's unconstitutional and will be shot down by the courts.

How do you justify any of those positions?
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Democracy? What democracy? Why? I do not read the feel-good propaganda word "democracy" in the US Constitution, and for very, very good reason.

You want democracy?

Be careful ... be very, very careful ... what you wish for.

Where on Earth is this "democracy"? I never heard of such a thing.

The United States are a collection of semi-sovereign States that have attributed certain powers to a federal government.

Is hurting?

It's been working, more or less, for a long time; longer than any other current political regime on Earth (except perhaps UK which has no written Constitution).

All the best!

Except the drafters of the constitution were against the idea of political parties. They didn't intend to have the two party system of gridlock and inefficiency.
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:04 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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No.
We are a nation of individual states, just like the name says. Each state has its own laws and systems. That should not change.


If it were actually up to me it would take a license to vote (after passing a one time test) and the minimum age would be 23.
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Except the drafters of the constitution were against the idea of political parties. They didn't intend to have the two party system of gridlock and inefficiency.
And they never envisioned a President who would sit in the office and view himself as head of a political party. Extreme political partisanship began with Obama. It may never end.
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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And they never envisioned a President who would sit in the office and view himself as head of a political party. Extreme political partisanship began with Obama. It may never end.

You really believe political partisanship began with Obama? You are gravely mistaken by that. Partisanship has always been part of the process. As always, it is technology taking it to a new level.
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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No.
We are a nation of individual states, just like the name says. Each state has its own laws and systems. That should not change.


If it were actually up to me it would take a license to vote (after passing a one time test) and the minimum age would be 23.

Having to pass a test to vote is an extremely un-american position to hold. Guess you are not much of a believer that all men are created equal?
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What are your thoughts on the agreement? Do you support it or not and why?

If you aren't sure what it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact


I personally support it. The reason is pretty simple. Millions of voters are disenfranchised in the current system. Since the electoral college in most states works in a winner-take-all manner, it leaves little incentive for voters of the minority party to go out and vote in solidly blue or red states. This decreases turn out across the board.

It also means that our leaders spend all of their time campaigning in the same 6 or 7 'battleground' states because essentially those ones decide who the president is in the current system.

Another negative aspect of the current system is it strongly discourages a third party candidate. Think of someone like Ross Perot. He received 20 million votes in 1992. That was nearly 19% of the total turnout. He received a whopping 0 electoral votes. 20 million Americans voted and it amounted to basically nothing. The current system is hurting our democracy.
the national popular vote scheme, is a scheme from soros and the marxists/fascists

the 501(c) organization National Popular Vote Inc., a George Soros funded who’s who of the progressive left. ...billionaire George Soros fund sand supports the movement via his myriad 502(c) outfits, such as the Progressive States Network and Common Cause.




Under a National Popular Vote, 100% of the citizens in a state could vote for candidate A and all of the state’s electoral college votes go to candidate B, rending small states powerless and the will of the people in the state irrelevant.


the electoral college is there for a reason
..to protect the little guy from the big guys





Plan for Permanent White House control by progressives happening now
Called the “National Popular Vote Compact” this movement has been in the works nationwide – without public attention – on a state-by-state level since at least 2008.

Like other surreptitious actions against the U.S. Constitution, the NPVC “movement” has several promotional websites claiming to represent “true democracy.”

Why would progressives want to switch to a National Popular Vote POTUS?

Do the math: The electoral vote system protects voting rights by giving every individual state a number of electoral votes representing the level of population. In this way, all states in the Union have a proportionate and representative say in who becomes President. It doesn’t matter if the state has more land mass than populace, or if more of the people live in rural areas, etc.



Who is behind the National Popular Vote Compact?
George Soros ...and Vikram Amar & Akhil Reed Amar

Akhil Amar has also “recently proposed that every American should be required to undergo a DNA test so that a national DNA database can be created.”

The National Public Vote Compact bill, promoted nationwide, came from this source in 2001. Since then, the same bill based on their strategy has been filed in states nationwide!

Digging into the background of the National Public Vote Compact – as a means to radically and permanently shift the basis of the Presidency, here’s what we found: highly credentialed attorneys (and brothers) who devised this “state bill” compact, as a strategy to get around the normal requirements for constitutional amendment – and, instead, undermine the Electoral College by bypassing both Congress and the voters!



plan for Permanent White House control by progressives happening now
Called the “National Popular Vote Compact” this movement has been in the works nationwide – without public attention – on a state-by-state level since at least 2008.

Like other surreptitious actions against the U.S. Constitution, the NPVC “movement” has several promotional websites claiming to represent “true democracy.”

The NPVC is a bill now moving state-by-state to make the popular vote winner President by bypassing normal requirements to amend the Constitution. Tts outcome would ensure the Presidency would be declared by giving all the required 270 Electoral Votes needed for a “winner” to the candidate who wins the largest number of popular votes nationally – no matter how small the win margin and no difference how many states voted to oppose him. Here’s[/quote] how it works:

Once enough states have passed the NPVC bill into law to reach the requisite 270 Electoral Votes (by totaling the EV’s of those states which pass this bill) the NPVC goes into immediate effect in the next – and all subsequent – Presidential elections. It doesn’t matter how strongly other states oppose this. We’d all have to go along, if even a minority of states pass it! • Currently, this bill has passed enough state houses to reach more than 160 EV’s – so they are well over half way to their goal right now.
According to most up-to-date information this National Popular Vote Pact has already passed 1 of the 2 required chambers in more than 30 other states- without public attention.
If their magic number of 270 EV totaling states is reached, it won’t matter how the rest of the states vote on this; nor whether other states never take up the bill; not even if other states vehemently object and oppose this action. It would be the Law of the Land!
This sneaky scheme to upend Constitutional rights and protections of all states and their residents in selecting the nation’s leader is underway as an explicit attempt to defeat the careful Constitutional amendment process with no public knowledge, no voter input, no public referendums and no input from states which object to this measure. All NPVC takes is a portion of current state houses to make it law for all of us – always!

Why would progressives want to switch to a National Popular Vote POTUS?
Do the math: The electoral vote system protects voting rights by giving every individual state a number of electoral votes representing the level of population. In this way, all states in the Union have a proportionate and representative say in who becomes President. It doesn’t matter if the state has more land mass than populace, or if more of the people live in rural areas, etc.
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