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Old 06-08-2020, 01:17 PM
 
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Liberals still believe polls?
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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The only thing that Trump can actually do to regain another term at this point is encourage stimulus to be passed.
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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Liberals still believe polls?
Interesting how when the polls aren't in his favor suddenly its "liberals still believe in polls?" but when they are in his favor its all "#MAGA2020" and celebrating the "high approval rating"; Jesus you MAGOTS are really something else.
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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This poll oversampled Blacks & Hispanics by 20%.

This poll has a margin of error of >3% which makes it a LOW CONFIDENCE poll.

Thus, this is a propaganda poll.
These are the #'s, how were blacks & hispanics oversampled by 20%?

The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS June 2 through 5 among a random national sample of 1,259 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer, including 1,125 registered voters. The survey also includes an oversample of black respondents for a total subsample of 362 black, non-Hispanic adults. That subset was weighted to its proper share of the overall adult population of the United States.


These are the #'s for the sampling errors.

Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points. It is 3.6 points among registered voters.

How is this low confidence?
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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This poll oversampled Blacks & Hispanics by 20%.

This poll has a margin of error of >3% which makes it a LOW CONFIDENCE poll.

Thus, this is a propaganda poll.
3.4% is not uncommon for polls. The poll also states it was weighted based on demographic breakdown.
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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These are the #'s, how were blacks & hispanics oversampled by 20%?

The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS June 2 through 5 among a random national sample of 1,259 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer, including 1,125 registered voters. The survey also includes an oversample of black respondents for a total subsample of 362 black, non-Hispanic adults. That subset was weighted to its proper share of the overall adult population of the United States.


These are the #'s for the sampling errors.

Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points. It is 3.6 points among registered voters.

How is this low confidence?
cut and paste from the poll details:

among a sample of 1,259 respondents, including an oversample of 250 black, nonHispanic respondents. The landline total respondents were 448 and there were 811 cell phone respondents. The
margin of sampling error for total respondents is +/- 3.4

Polls with a margin of error of 3%+ are considered low confidence polls.

Polls with a MOE <2% are high confidence.

Margin of errors are grossly understated, as much as by 1/2. The MOE for this poll could easly be +/- 6.8%
or 13.6% as a total range.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/u...7-instead.html
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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3 polls came out today, each with Biden up by double digits.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...eral/national/

LOL@Trumpie desperation.
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Old 06-08-2020, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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cut and paste from the poll details:

among a sample of 1,259 respondents, including an oversample of 250 black, nonHispanic respondents. ...
As I said, LOL@Trumpie desperation.

To wit: RIGHT after that passage you quoted it says this:

"Oversampled black, non-Hispanic respondents have been weighted to represent their proper share of the adult population."

That is, they interviewed an over-sample of blacks and Hispanics, but then corrected that over-interview to reflect their true proportion in the adult population.

Trumpie fail!
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Old 06-08-2020, 02:11 PM
 
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Lets be absolutely clear about this, Biden is the favorite to win this election, Trump supporters who cannot see he's in trouble are in denial about the situation they're in.

Republican voters simply have to own up and admit they picked a poor candidate back in 2016, he can still win but they've made life much more difficult for themselves with Trump as their leader.

The one thing I will say is Hillary ALSO had a +14 lead against Trump less than a month out before the election

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (10/8 - 10/9) 447 LV
Clinton 52
Trump 38

She also had a few other double digit leads in mid october that year (+12 with Monmouth, +10 CBS News, +13 with the associated press)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html

So this certainly can turn, but Trump needs to run a more disciplined campaigned, tweeting about ratings or Scarborough conspiracies is not going to get those numbers down.
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Old 06-08-2020, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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3 polls came out today, each with Biden up by double digits.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...eral/national/

LOL@Trumpie desperation.
I take that back: It's now 4 polls that came out today showing Biden with a double-digit lead.

But I'm sure Trumpies will come up with some reason to explain away each and every single one.

If there were 100 polls showing Biden with a double-digit lead they would make up some reason why every single one was somehow bogus.
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