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I remember in 2016 there was some blame put on Jill Stein she had taken some votes away from Hillary Clinton in swing states where it was very close. Trump only won the office by one county in Pennsylvania according to VOX news if Stein had not run those votes might have put Clinton in the white house.
"That study was based on incomplete data: Vote totals for Pennsylvania weren’t yet final, and the final tally showed that Clinton could have won the state if she’d had all of Stein’s votes as well as her own."
While possible, the assumptions made by Vox and other sources assume that Stein and other third party voters would have voted for one of the two main party candidates if Stein and other third party candidates were not on the ballot. I don't know if this is a wise assumption to make. Indeed, I know many third party voters who would gladly sit out an election if the only choice are two candidates who are disagreeable to them.
While possible, the assumptions made by Vox and other sources assume that Stein and other third party voters would have voted for one of the two main party candidates if Stein and other third party candidates were not on the ballot. I don't know if this is a wise assumption to make. Indeed, I know many third party voters who would gladly sit out an election if the only choice are two candidates who are disagreeable to them.
This is a good point. Some people feel fashionable voting third party, and many leftists despise the Democrats.
Another point is that there is nothing wrong with third parties, and it is the job of any party to tailor a winning message. It is kind of similar to the electoral college crybabies--it is not a trick, it is part of our system.
Doesn't Bush 41 defeat Clinton without Perot in the mix?
That was a clear case of third party voters who likely would have voted for one of the two major party candidates if not for a very strong and well funded third party nominee. But generally things aren't that clear cut, IMO.
Doesn't Bush 41 defeat Clinton without Perot in the mix?
Difference.......
Perot was a legitimate candidate. He had good poll numbers, he had money to buy the TV ads, and he handled himself well in the debates which he was invited to. Did anyone else notice, that '92 was the last time you saw an independent candidate invited to participate? The establishment didn't let him in, in 1996.
Jill Stein had none of that, and most 3rd party candidates, don't either.
It's a waste of anyone's time to vote 3rd party in 2020.
I don't think it is a waste of time to vote 3rd party. These people make a choice just like everyone who votes for the 2 major parties. I have voted 3rd party a couple of times to simply voice my opinion that neither of the other two were worth my vote. (most recent was 3rd party rather than Obama or Romney)
Yeah. I'm a Trump supporter, but I voted for Johnson. Just trying to send a message at the time.
The nightmare to me would be if no one gets 270 electoral votes. If that happens, The House votes and selects the President.
I don't see that happening, but late at night I sometimes check under my bed......
I doubt that many of us of a libertarian orientation will vote for a third party -- as we did for Gary Johnson in 2016. The Democrats' pronounced swing to the Left has made self-defense more of a concern than making a statement of our feelings.
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