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The pollsters working in those states in 2016 were small, local pollsters like Detroit Free Press and local news stations. They missed the mark. This time around, those states are being polled by the big boys like CBS News, Reuters, NY Times, etc. The "polls" are not the same polls.
I'm not sure where you're getting this information.
I'm seeing CBS, Quinnipiac, Reuters, etc. for both 2016 and 2020.
I didn't say anything about Ohio. I thought my inclusion of the Detroit Free Press made it clear that I was referring to Michigan, and I would include Wisconsin and Michigan in that group as well.
Are you even trying to have a fruitful discussion here?
There are also far fewer undecideds now than in 2016, so there's much less room for movement.
Another sign of trouble for Trump is that in 2016 of the voters that hated both candidates, the majority chose Trump and now voters that say they dislike both the majority are breaking for Biden.
Would you like to state your case as to why I might be wrong without bringing up 2016?
It isn't like they can use 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, etc etc to disprove you. Plenty of data points showing polls do a good job.
Trumpers live in a world where if their football team was down by 15 points at the two-minute warning, they will assume their team will win because they pulled off a huge upset once. So, the next time they are down... by an even greater margin, it means they will still win.
Eternal optimists? Or just dreamers? I'm not sure yet.
Why in the world do the Trump fans think the polls are so skewed in the Dems favor? If it were they would want to show the race being as close as possible to avoid complacency on the part of Biden voters. Thus the reason Biden's campaign is saying the election is closer than the polls are showing.
And please stop with this nonsense of this state's poll is right because it shows Trump tied or up or this one is clearly wrong because it shows Biden up by a lot. Same goes for the I live in, insert state here, and I know it's going for Trump because I see it firsthand. You know nothing. You see a subset of a subset of a subset of a state and somehow extrapolate that out to the entire population of that state.
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