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Old 09-25-2020, 07:15 PM
 
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Pretty much. Loyalty to Trump is the only thing that matters to most Republicans now. They have no policies, no agenda, no ideas, no values. Their entire focus is fluffing Donald Trump.


While not all of Trumps agenda matches up with all (R's), and his style can grate on even his most ardent supporters, many look at what the alternative would have been.
Others are happy with a lot of the things he did, that otherwise wouldn't have been done (see post reply below from Silas777).

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Hahaha... I think filling record number of federal judges and 3 scotus seats is a pretty strong agenda.
Most pro life President in history... pretty strong values.
Rebuild our Military and support our Law enforcment , strengthen our border security all great ideas!
But yeah, you just keep singing to your choir.
You would think most of those would be universally liked by a good many people.

However I have no problem with Democrats who don't like those things, to have what in their minds is legitimate dislike of it.
My issue comes in when they start blaming him for everything, good, bad, indifferent. Sometimes they get despicable by blaming COVID deaths on him.
Yet you can bet they didn't blame H1N1 deaths on Obama/Biden, even though they reacted much slower, and didn't do anything near as much as Trump had.
Remember Obama/Biden shutting down travel, the economy, requiring masks, etc.?
Of course not, but the critiques are totally partisan, and they show their lack of class and decency by making such claims against Trump.

Palin might not be a good Senator, but what makes who she wants to replace great either?


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Old 09-25-2020, 07:16 PM
 
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I mean, compared to what? To Donald Trump, I guess she would be an improvement. Being "not the brightest" and feckless is certainly better than fundamentally evil. To any decent, competent human being, though? No. The Sarah Palins of the world shouldn't have any power when we're talking about the lives and livelihoods of real people.

I noticed you mostly named minorities. Something tells me your disdain for them is a lot more related to that fact than any of their actual records, which I have significant doubts that you even know anything about. A link to your own thread trashing them is not evidence against that conclusion.


First of all why are some of you obsessed with having to constantly bringing up Trump, when he is irrelevant to this discussion. I guess it must be TDS since you couldn't help claiming Trump is evil.

Even worse, you like many leftists assume racism without facts nor a desire to even do any research. For example you said Mostly those names were of minorities. That is an incorrect statement, as anyone can see with names like those, they are ALL minorities.
Ergo, in your limited ability at deductive reasoning, I must be far beyond disdain for minorities, and must be an evil racist myself, right?
Then you have the unmitigated gall to assume I don't know anything about them, when in reality I know a heck of a lot about them.
Do you?
Obviously not.

Here are a couple of quick news flashes for you. They are all members of the "Justice Democrats", and virtually all the ones that have gotten elected are all minorities. So by me listing their members and the ones who got elected if they are all minorities, how is that evidence to you I must have disdain for them because they are minorities.
How about I mistrust them not because they are all minorities, but instead many of them are radical socialists and communists.

Some are so radical that the people they idolize are some of the worst and most radical tyrants ever to walk the earth.
You talk about Trump being evil (whatever that means to you), but one of Saikat Chakrabarti's heroes was a guy named Subhas Chandra Bose, who believed that a government best suited to rule would be "a synthesis between Nazism and communism".
Unlike Gandhi who used peaceful methods, Subhas wanted to lay waste to everyone.

Cenk Uygur admires the radical Turkish so much he named his personal show the Young Turks after them. He supported the movement that tried to commit genocide (they almost succeeded) against any non-Muslims, including Christians and in particular Armenians.
The "Young Turks" and their “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” carried out “the liquidation of the Christian elements" in their country. Just the Armenians alone were estimated to be 2,000,000 people, and by the time the madness stopped, the attempted genocide had only 390,000 left.
Think about that.
Over 1.6 million people were either killed or fled.
Don't know your history, or don't believe me?
Here is a neutral source to educate yourself;


https://www.history.com/topics/world...enian-genocide

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So the two main architects of the "Justice Democrats" both believe in Nazism and communism, and of course killing as many people as needed to achieving their aim. Does that rise to the level of what you classify as evil?

If so, and you are a Democrat, you had better try to take your party back, because the "Justice Democrats" are on record as saying that is what they are in the process of doing. That being pretending to be Democrats so they can get elected (running 3rd party rarely works), and then taking over the Democrat party from within.
All those minority names are part of that movement, so you should check yourself before you cast aspersions out of ignorance.

Did you even watch the video?

Uygur is recorded on video in his own voice saying it.

So yes, if you had read my OP in that thread and watched the video, you would see that my evidence is not based on my own opinion, it is what they themsleves said.
Are you always this quick to assume whatever you want and then make such claims?




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Old 09-25-2020, 07:26 PM
 
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First of all why are some of you obsessed with having to constantly bringing up trump, when he is irrelevant to this discussion. I guess it must be tds since you couldn't help claiming trump is evil.

Even worse, you like many leftists assume racism without facts nor a desire to even do any research. For example you said mostly those names were of minorities. That is an incorrect statement, as anyone can see with names like those, they are all minorities.
Ergo, in your limited ability at deductive reasoning, i must be far beyond disdain for minorities, and must be an evil racist myself, right?
Then you have the unmitigated gall to assume i don't know anything about them, when in reality i know a heck of a lot about them.
Do you?
Obviously not.

Here are a couple of quick news flashes for you. They are all members of the "justice democrats", and virtually all the ones that have gotten elected are all minorities. So by me listing their members and the ones who got elected if they are all minorities, how is that evidence to you i must have disdain for them because they are minorities.
How about i mistrust them not because they are all minorities, but instead many of them are radical socialists and communists.

Some are so radical that the people they idolize are some of the worst and most radical tyrants ever to walk the earth.
You talk about trump being evil (whatever that means to you), but one of saikat chakrabarti's heroes was a guy named subhas chandra bose, who believed that a government best suited to rule would be "a synthesis between nazism and communism".
Unlike gandhi who used peaceful methods, subhas wanted to lay waste to everyone.

Cenk uygur admires the radical turkish so much he named his personal show the young turks after them. He supported the movement that tried to commit genocide (they almost succeeded) against any non-muslims, including christians and in particular armenians.
The "young turks" and their “special organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” carried out “the liquidation of the christian elements" in their country. Just the armenians alone were estimated to be 2,000,000 people, and by the time the madness stopped, the attempted genocide had only 390,000 left.
Think about that.
Over 1.6 million people were either killed or fled.
Don't know your history, or don't believe me?
Here is a neutral source to educate yourself;


https://www.history.com/topics/world...enian-genocide

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so the two main architects of the "justice democrats" both believe in nazism and communism, and of course killing as many people as needed to achieving their aim. Does that rise to the level of what you classify as evil?

If so, and you are a democrat, you had better try to take your party back, because the "justice democrats" are on record as saying that is what they are in the process of doing. That being pretending to be democrats so they can get elected (running 3rd party rarely works), and then taking over the democrat party from within.
All those minority names are part of that movement, so you should check yourself before you cast aspersions out of ignorance.

Did you even watch the video?

Uygur is recorded on video in his own voice saying it.

So yes, if you had read my op in that thread and watched the video, you would see that my evidence is not based on my own opinion, it is what they themsleves said.
Are you always this quick to assume whatever you want and then make such claims?

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Old 09-25-2020, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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First of all why are some of you obsessed with having to constantly bringing up Trump, when he is irrelevant to this discussion. I guess it must be TDS since you couldn't help claiming Trump is evil.

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I have not posted in this thread so as someone just reading through it I expect the reason is that usually in this forum if someone has been labeled a "RINO" it is typically because that person is a Republican that has opposed Trump in some way. Both parties are diverse but the view of some is that if an individual does not 100% approve of Trumo then that individual is not really a Republican. There is this same synamic on the Democratic side with DINOs - you saw this in the Democratic primary debates and discussions around them. Take Medicare for All - if a candidate did not support it, he or she was a DINO. Moderates in both parties are getting frozen out. So I think the reason the discussion quickly turned to Trump was with the labeling of Murkowski as a RINO and saying that was why she should be voted out - no policy arguments, etc. That gives the impression that what is objectionable about her is simply that she opposes Trump.
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Old 09-25-2020, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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She resigned,not quit because of the persecution of her and her husband.

Because they aren't republicans PERIOD. Joe Manchin is more of a damn republican than any of those 3!

Indeed Collins is but I despise democrats that's why I want these 3 primaried not defeated in the general election.
I know some Alaskans, and they all though Palin's excuses were real weak. She lost all her popularity after she quit. They didn't like how notorious Palin and her crazy family became later either.

The Murkowski family is about as close to a political dynasty as it gets up there. I don't think Sarah stands much of a chance to ever win another office.

I think Alaska prefers Independents who aren't bound to either party.
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Old 09-25-2020, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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She resigned,not quit because of the persecution of her and her husband.
She quit so she could go to Faux News, where she could make more money. She's a dingbat and was embarrassed nationally, but the "Christians" love her, so none of that matters to the religious right.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:25 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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I have not posted in this thread so as someone just reading through it I expect the reason is that usually in this forum if someone has been labeled a "RINO" it is typically because that person is a Republican that has opposed Trump in some way.
I do think this is why Trump fanboys (not talking about Trump voters in general - just the type Trump himself was referring to when he said he could shoot someone in the street without losing their support) call her a RINO, but she really does support several policies and programs that are typically Democratic plank platforms, not Republican. For one thing, Alaska is about a quarter Native and she really courts that vote, as well as remote Alaskan communities' votes in general (TBF I get the impression that her support for Native rights and well-being is genuine, not a political put-on), which places her at odds with national Republicans on quite a few issues. She's a centrist Republican of the sort that was common like 20 years ago.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:43 PM
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Location: California
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Yep apparently if we are against Trump we are RINO's which is why i became an independent last fall. Its a nice feeling not being tethered to someone else's ideology.

But what are they going to do after he loses? It can't be his party anymore...
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Old 09-26-2020, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Your problem is that Cohen/Snowe/Collins are the only brand of Rs that can hold those Maine Senate seats. Defeating her in a primary is the equivalent of a D gain.
Which is something that people on my side of the aisle aren't thinking about. As much of a problem that I have with people like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Mike Castle (Delaware), etc., they were the only kind of Republican that could win statewide in the states that they are from. And they are much more preferable to the rabid Dems who would serve in those seats if they lost an election or retired. Simply put, I'd rather have someone vote with me 60-70% of the time (and, on judges, Susan Collins has voted for the overwhelming majority of Trump's judicial nominees) than 20% of the time.

On to Palin specifically, while I like a lot of things about Palin and think that she was justified in resigning as governor when she did due to the bogus legal onslaught she was facing that she was required to pay for herself, I still prefer someone who has shown that they will stick around to complete a term.
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Old 09-26-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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Hahaha... I think filling record number of federal judges and 3 scotus seats is a pretty strong agenda.
Most pro life President in history... pretty strong values.
Rebuild our Military and support our Law enforcment , strengthen our border security all great ideas!
But yeah, you just keep singing to your choir.

Nominating judges is simply a function of the POTUS, it does not require anything other that writing a name on a piece of paper. And they are not his names, because he wouldn't know a "conservative" if it slapped him in the face. McConnell is doing the heavy lifting for the judges, that's Mitch's legacy not Trumps. Trump is completely devoid of morals, ethics, values!
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