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Bush was pretty hated, especially after the Iraq War debacle. His approval rating fell throughout his presidency
Enjoy your 3 months of SCOTUS majority, I guess. Democrats are going to be adding a few states (and Senate seats), and probably at least a couple SCOTUS expansions. The good people are not going to let you destroy equality, rights and healthcare for millions of Americans just so you can "own the libs".
Yeah his rating fell... I think Bush 43 has the record for the highest (9/11) and lowest approval rating in a presidency. It is what it is.
Truth be told though I am not anymore crazy rabid whatever you care to call it about Trump than I was about Bush 43. Seriously. I'm conservative and so is my family. We don't buy into the leftist BS from the Democrats. That's really all it is. Trump has personality issues... obviously. I don't care though because I didn't vote for him for his personality. Make sense? Things like personality, twitter habits, taxes paid, sexual intercourse with porn stars... all that stuff that upsets Democrats doesn't influence my voting decision at all because NONE OF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM FAITHFULLY EXECUTING THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
... and good luck with expanding the SC... LOL and it's TOTALLY about owning the libs.
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The leftist media didn't hate on Bush? What planet did you live on?
Nowhere near to the extent that they hate on Trump was my point.
Feel free to deny that though...
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Trump won because he appealed to a large number of people who had been ignored for 30 years. Like most on the left, you still don't get it.
Biden is adopting the Romney approach. "I'm not the other guy." Didn't work too well for Romney.
Yeah his rating fell... I think Bush 43 has the record for the highest (9/11) and lowest approval rating in a presidency. It is what it is.
Truth be told though I am not anymore crazy rabid whatever you care to call it about Trump than I was about Bush 43. Seriously. I'm conservative and so is my family. We don't buy into the leftist BS from the Democrats. That's really all it is. Trump has personality issues... obviously. I don't care though because I didn't vote for him for his personality. Make sense? Things like personality, twitter habits, taxes paid, sexual intercourse with porn stars... all that stuff that upsets Democrats doesn't influence my voting decision at all because NONE OF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM FAITHFULLY EXECUTING THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
... and good luck with expanding the SC... LOL and it's TOTALLY about owning the libs.
Being conservative doesn't mean abandoning everything you believe in, or trashing basic human decency because you only care about beating political opponents. I respect old school conservatives- those that are for fiscal responsibility, individual responsibility and rights, and less government (though not to the extent of a free for all for corporations because I don't believe they have altruistic intentions whatsoever if left on their own). But Republicans don't stand for any of those things anymore. Somewhere along the way, they became the party of social regression, hating gay people and being anti-science. They spend even worse than Democrats do, and the only individual right they ever care about anymore is the 2nd. Whatever the GOP is now, it has nothing to do with traditionally conservative values. I could get behind some of those things, but I can't get behind any of it now.
Trump's personality is repulsive. I'm not religious at all, but he strikes me as perhaps the least moral US leader in my lifetime, and that's saying something. But I haven't found anything to like him on about policy, either.
Can I ask what you object to specifically about the Democratic platform? I'm interested to know what specific policies or proposals you object to that you think Republicans are better at. I'd be more than happy to have a discussion on real policy and not conspiracy or rants about socialism, especially when the US already has tons of socialistic elements that almost everyone likes. I'm just asking for simple policy disagreements. For example, have you read the Democratic platform or Biden's platform?
You know Trump is losing because Trump supporter threads are get ting more breathless and desperate.
Not really. The "breathless" one is Biden, and the "desperate" ones are Biden supporters. I have seen Biden barely able to speak because he couldn't catch his breath. His voice was so weak it was almost impossible to understand the guy. Biden is an legitimate candidate. He's not running. The Marxist mob who controls him are running.
But Republicans don't stand for any of those things anymore. Somewhere along the way, they became the party of social regression, hating gay people and being anti-science. They spend even worse than Democrats do, and the only individual right they ever care about anymore is the 2nd. Whatever the GOP is now, it has nothing to do with traditionally conservative values. I could get behind some of those things, but I can't get behind any of it now.
I don't hate gay people... and believe me I see a lot of them around Seattle. I care about someone else's sexual preference much like I care about Trump's personality... no care at all. My only issue with gay people is the fact that a lot of them (see Tim Cook) feel the need to broadcast to the entire world their sexual preference. "I wanna come out of the closet and let everyone know!"
Why? NOBODY CARES! Myself included. Still... has nothing to do with hate. I do love my 2nd amendment right though.
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Trump's personality is repulsive. I'm not religious at all, but he strikes me as perhaps the least moral US leader in my lifetime, and that's saying something. But I haven't found anything to like him on about policy, either.
Again... I could care less about his personality/twitter habits... etc... didn't vote for him for that. If you don't agree with his policies that's another issue and within your right.
In a way Trump reminds me of me... I don't have the greatest personality either. I'll stand my ground for what I feel is right... and call out the BS when I see it.
Ironically... that's what Trump does.
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Can I ask what you object to specifically about the Democratic platform? I'm interested to know what specific policies or proposals you object to that you think Republicans are better at. I'd be more than happy to have a discussion on real policy and not conspiracy or rants about socialism, especially when the US already has tons of socialistic elements that almost everyone likes. I'm just asking for simple policy disagreements. For example, have you read the Democratic platform or Biden's platform?
Yes... and I'd be happy to have a discussion sometime. Not now, I'm getting ready to leave work... but soon. Enjoy the debates tonight.
... and for the record, we can always agree to disagree. I have quite a few liberal Trump hater friends. They let me know all the time how bad Trump is. It's not personal.
=Zach911;59279678]I don't hate gay people... and believe me I see a lot of them around Seattle. I care about someone else's sexual preference much like I care about Trump's personality... no care at all. My only issue with gay people is the fact that a lot of them (see Tim Cook) feel the need to broadcast to the entire world their sexual preference. "I wanna come out of the closet and let everyone know!"
Why? NOBODY CARES! Myself included. Still... has nothing to do with hate. I do love my 2nd amendment right though.
So you don't hate gay people, you just never want to see gay people showing public affection in any of the ways straight people do? Isn't that kind of admitting you're at least uncomfortable with them and would also not care if they lost their equality, such as marriage rights? "Coming out" is not about rubbing your face in it, btw. It's not about you at all.
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Again... I could care less about his personality/twitter habits... etc... didn't vote for him for that. If you don't agree with his policies that's another issue and within your right.
I get that, but I'm saying the criticism of Trump goes a lot deeper than just his personality. A lot of his supporters seem to be under the impression that the opposition would like him if not for his personality flaws, but that just isn't the case.
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In a way Trump reminds me of me... I don't have the greatest personality either. I'll stand my ground for what I feel is right... and call out the BS when I see it.
Standing your ground and fighting for what you believe in aren't necessarily bad things, though that would *really* depend on just what you're fighting for. Simply fighting for what you believe in by itself isn't really a virtue. Context matters even more. If someone believed that Native Americans were evil and wanted to exterminate them all- a position that plenty of people once had in America- and fought for that goal, can we really call that a good thing? Similarly, are the things Trump believes and fights for actually beneficial to America and its people? The evidence doesn't really suggest that.
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Ironically... that's what Trump does.
Does he, though? Could you give me some examples?
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Yes... and I'd be happy to have a discussion sometime. Not now, I'm getting ready to leave work... but soon. Enjoy the debates tonight.
Alright, whenever you have the time.
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... and for the record, we can always agree to disagree. I have quite a few liberal Trump hater friends. They let me know all the time how bad Trump is. It's not personal.
I never liked the phrase agree to disagree. On some issues, there's no harm in that, but on others, there is a definitive right and wrong. If I argued the sky was orange and you blue, "agree to disagree" suggests both views are equally valid when they're factually not. Disagreement about sky color is not that important, even if there is a factual truth, but then we have debates like whether Covid is a serious threat or not, where the factual truth is literally the difference between life and death in many cases.
It is personal to some of us. I'm a minority that is threatened by Trump's positions. I'm someone who has lost family because of the poor virus response. It's extremely personal. Millions of people's lives are affected by the policies of politicians every single day. They are not trivial matters to them.
He's been in the senate for 180 years.. come on man! He's the Democratic messiah! CORN POP of the Scranton gangs would agree, as would his fellow Delaware State Alumni!!!
Bush was pretty hated, especially after the Iraq War debacle. His approval rating fell throughout his presidency and ended up being historically low when he left office. He was generally considered one of the worst presidents in history until Trump destroyed the bar altogether. Bush didn't have the rabid fan base that Trump has that excused everything he did and kept his approval rating artificially high.
Trump wanted to be president. He's not a child. If he's so pathetic that he needs an army of internet cult members fighting against all the people who hurt his feelings, then it's even worse than I thought.
Enjoy your 3 months of SCOTUS majority, I guess. Democrats are going to be adding a few states (and Senate seats), and probably at least a couple SCOTUS expansions. The good people are not going to let you destroy equality, rights and healthcare for millions of Americans just so you can "own the libs".
Dems owned the pubs by destroying healthcare. Nice try
Dems owned the pubs by destroying healthcare. Nice try
You know, criticisms of Dem health care reform plans would actually have greater weight if the GOP had ANY plans to offer as an alternative. Unfortunately, they don't, as they've shown over and over.
You know Trump is losing because Trump supporter threads are getting more breathless and desperate.
So are his texts. I've received a record 8 texts from his campaign today slamming Biden, Harris, and every possible thing about their campaign that the Trump people can throw against the wall. The tone is positively hysterical. I love getting these texts - they're amusing as heck and I'm all for free entertainment!
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I'll stand my ground for what I feel is right... and call out the BS when I see it.
