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Old 05-04-2008, 07:34 PM
 
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If anything, the last election should have shown people what happens when you give so much power (the Presidency) to a person that people don't know much about.

With the power of the Presidency behind him, Bush and Cheney managed to use phony intelligence to launch a war in Iraq and numerous other things (like dragging the US dollar down, causing the cost of energy to go up).

You think we'd be a little more careful this time around.

But no! People are rallying to the unproven guy who is running on "Hope" and "Change."
Don't discount hope. Some people need hope in today's society, including me. As a young person, I've lost faith in the abilities of the government and the government itself due to the inept rule of Bush and his cronies. So excuse me for being excited by the prospect of "Hope" and "Change."
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:36 PM
 
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If anything, the last election should have shown people what happens when you give so much power (the Presidency) to a person that people don't know much about.

With the power of the Presidency behind him, Bush and Cheney managed to use phony intelligence to launch a war in Iraq and numerous other things (like dragging the US dollar down, causing the cost of energy to go up).

You think we'd be a little more careful this time around.

But no! People are rallying to the unproven guy who is running on "Hope" and "Change."
Also, you seem to be forgetting that Bush was the governor of Texas. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas and plenty of people thought that was enough to vote on. Most people would consider that proper experience. And hey, Bush's dad was in the White House so, like Hillary, whose husband was in the White House, he must have been prepared from day one...
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:01 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If anything, the last election should have shown people what happens when you give so much power (the Presidency) to a person that people don't know much about.

With the power of the Presidency behind him, Bush and Cheney managed to use phony intelligence to launch a war in Iraq and numerous other things (like dragging the US dollar down, causing the cost of energy to go up).

You think we'd be a little more careful this time around.

But no! People are rallying to the unproven guy who is running on "Hope" and "Change."
With trillions of dollars and millions of lives at stake, Bush was prepared to go to war if only he could get the approval of Congress. Hillary Clinton, with all of her so-called experience, with all of her so-called "presidential" experience being the wife of a president, with her poor judgment, poor decision-making, was given a report which went into details about the reasons for such a war. She glanced at it, didn't read it all the way through, before voting YES in support of the war!

We don't need a hollow woman in office who sends millions to be killed, maimed, crippled without first getting properly informed about what she is voting for. Her followers apparently suffer the same flaw, blindly making the decision to support such a pathetic candidate.

It's over for Hillary. Get over it.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Here's another poll that says differently;

Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/58_say_obama_denounced_wright_for_political_conven ience_not_outrage - broken link)

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Most—58%--say he denounced the Pastor for political convenience. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday night. Obama made his statements about Wright on Tuesday.

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Only 33% of voters believe that Obama was surprised by the views Wright expressed at Monday’s press conference. Fifty-two percent (52%) say he was not surprised.

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Fifty-six percent (56%) say it’s at least somewhat likely that Obama “shares some of Pastor Wright’s controversial views about the United States.” That figure includes 26% who say it’s Very Likely Obama holds such views. At the other end of the spectrum 24% say it’s Not Very Likely that Obama shares such views. Just 11% say it’s Not at All Likely.

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Nine percent (9%) of voters have a favorable opinion of Wright. Eight-one percent (81%) have an unfavorable view. That includes 62% with a Very Unfavorable opinion.

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Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republicans believe it’s somewhat or very likely that Obama shares some of Wright’s views. That assessment is shared by 48% of Democrats and 49% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Did you even read the link you posted? My interpretation is that it did indeed hurt him. Wait until the general, when indies and repubs are a factor as well.


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But nearly half of the voters surveyed, and a substantial part of the Democrats, said Mr. Obama had acted mainly because he thought it would help him politically, rather than because he had serious disagreements with his former pastor.
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Still, the survey suggested that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, had lost much or all of the once-commanding lead he had held over Mrs. Clinton, of New York, among Democratic voters on the question of which of them would be the strongest candidate against Mr. McCain, of Arizona.

In February, 59 percent called Mr. Obama the stronger candidate, compared with 28 percent who named Mrs. Clinton. In the latest survey, the two were essentially tied.
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“The thing with Wright really did bother me,” Phyllis Julien, a Democrat from Brookline, Mo., said in an interview after she participated in the poll. “I was leaning towards Obama before this because I thought he could be a change for the American people, but now I’m leaning toward Clinton. I would have to see a little more fire in his belly to vote for him, and I just don’t see it.”

“You have to worry about how strong his convictions are when he can’t stand up to someone who’s wronged him,” Ms. Julien said.
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While just 24 percent of voters said they thought the Wright issue would matter a lot or some to them in the fall, 44 percent said it would matter a lot or some to “most people you know.” And while just 9 percent of Democrats said the issue would matter a lot to them should Mr. Obama be their party’s nominee, even that small a slice of the electorate could be a problem for Mr. Obama if he won the nomination and the contest against Mr. McCain was close.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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For those who believe in polls, article speaks for itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/us...hp&oref=slogin
Well, I am generally interested in the results of legitimate polls, and from your article is the following observation:

Still, the survey suggested that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, had lost much or all of the once-commanding lead he had held over Mrs. Clinton, of New York, among Democratic voters on the question of which of them would be the strongest candidate against Mr. McCain, of Arizona.

In February, 59 percent called Mr. Obama the stronger candidate, compared with 28 percent who named Mrs. Clinton. In the latest survey, the two were essentially tied.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It's obvious she didn't make it past the first paragraph.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:13 PM
 
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For those who believe in polls, article speaks for itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/us...hp&oref=slogin
Thanks for posting the article. I feel a sense of people just being so sick and tired of this Rev. Wright story. People want to hear about real issues and policies and want to move forward. Hillary supporters on the other hand, would love to have this story just stir in the media day after day but it looks like if it doesn't hurt Obama now, it will not in the General Election.
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:28 AM
 
Location: DFW area
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With trillions of dollars and millions of lives at stake, Bush was prepared to go to war if only he could get the approval of Congress. Hillary Clinton, with all of her so-called experience, with all of her so-called "presidential" experience being the wife of a president, with her poor judgment, poor decision-making, was given a report which went into details about the reasons for such a war. She glanced at it, didn't read it all the way through, before voting YES in support of the war!

We don't need a hollow woman in office who sends millions to be killed, maimed, crippled without first getting properly informed about what she is voting for. Her followers apparently suffer the same flaw, blindly making the decision to support such a pathetic candidate.

It's over for Hillary. Get over it.
Hi Alexus,

I agree on your assessment on Hillary Clinton, but I must take issue with you on the above sentence in bold.. Just so everyone is clear, millions of people haven't been killed, maimed, or crippled, if you're referring to the Iraq war.

Good day
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:30 AM
 
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Obama's judgement is a real issue and that goes to the relationship with wright. First everybocy was prejudgice agianst wright;then they misunderstood him and how he is a non-issue. This week it is he really doen't existand Obama never had the relationship?
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Obama's judgement is a real issue and that goes to the relationship with wright. First everybocy was prejudgice agianst wright;then they misunderstood him and how he is a non-issue. This week it is he really doen't exist and Obama never had the relationship?
It is possible this might play OK with the Democrats, but when they take it to the national election the Democratic support base better get ready to do a lot of name calling, because the Republicans and independents won't be as forgiving.
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